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Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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you can't say it would have worked. There are places that locked down harder than the US and still fared worse. I'll remind you that the EU had 1.5x the population adjusted mortality of the US, before their immunization shenanigans; and that's despite the US having an irresponsible science-denier president.

Half a million dead Americans. Fair to say what you're doing didn't work.

It worked as well as Europe and and better than most countries, Once you adjust per population size.

https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/countries-nor...

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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I've seen some pushback that a lot of hard-to-diagnose chronic syndromes are now being deemed "long covid." My assumption is that at least some of this is happening as it's the trendiest disease of the moment. Not to say there aren't a lot of people with clear-cut long covid syndromes.

It looks like there's an overlap with post-viral syndromes and chronic fatigue syndrome, pointing to a common etiology under the hood.

There is some overlap and some similarities.. if long covid doesn't end perhaps it'll even be considered M.E[0]. Myalgic Encephalomyelitis sufferers have been ignored by mainstream medicine, maybe this will bring change.

[0]: https://valerieeliotsmith.com/2021/02/19/a-short-post-on-lon...

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Link to the study: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n693 From the study: > At baseline, individuals with covid-19 had a mean age of 64.5 (standard deviation 19.2) and 54.9% were men. Compared with the general population, individuals in hospital with covid-19 were more likely to be: male, aged 50 or more, living in a deprived area, a former smoker, and overweight or obese (table 1). Individuals with covid-19 were a…

I remember at the beginning of the pandemic, it seemed as though few current smokers were getting seriously ill, although former smokers were at high risk. Did anything come of that?

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Essentially any contact with a hospital in that population produces eye-popping statistics. Having worked in this area, I’m of the opinion that the presentation of this work is misleading.

But the opposite would be misleading, too, in that the hospital contact was induced by COVID. It's all confounded. If you compare to other hospital admits, you're finding an even-less-healthy population (because they had a reason to show up to the hospital -without- COVID). If you compare to the general populace, you risk inadequately controlling the comparison. But if you want to know the increased risk people have…

My beef isn’t with the measurement, but with the presentation thereof. This problem you have recognized is so common that a framework was developed [1]. I don’t feel the work addresses all element of that framework satisfactorily. Others may disagree, and that’s okay.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strengthening_the_reporting_...

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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I see that they were matched now, still the control group wasn't hospitalized , which must skew the result. Looking at the tables, you might get the idea that COVID hospitalization causes a lot of diabetes. The way they arrive at that is to count the diabetes diagnoses made after COVID admission. However to me it seems far more likely that a diabetic without a diagnosis (which is common) gets hospitalized with COVID,…

See the discussion above - it's very intentional that the control group wasn't hospitalized. It's the right approach for the question they are trying to answer, "how bad off is a person that got COVID and got hospitalized as a result of that". (There are other good questions to ask too, of course.)

Given the discussion generated here and probably elsewhere, why do you believe the authors chose not to present a matched hospitalization control group alongside their control group? It’s pretty standard: that’s why they included a sentence saying they chose not to (albeit without any justification).

Why deviate?

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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So... you weren't hospitalized, and also weren't readmitted to the hospital? What's the purpose of this anecdote?

No purpose, I guess. Just took the opportunity to share my experience. I am interested in reading about others' experiences, it's just that everything I could find (mostly on Reddit) depicted a much worse picture. And yet statistics say that the vast majority of people have it easy like me. I mentioned I would love a database like Erowid, with input from everyone who has had a confirmed infection. I'd read through al…

95% of people (which is a "vast majority") could have normal mild to moderate post-viral symptoms which go away entirely in 12 months. If 5% have long term disabilities then with something like ~100M people in the USA having been infected that would be ~5M with long term disabilities. That would be 20 times more people than were affected by Gulf War Syndrome. That amounts to a 1.5% chunk taken out of the civilian labor force participation rate.

A small minority of people having serious difficulties with the virus can turn into a large medical issue when the denominator is 1/3 to 1/2 of the country getting infected.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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So... you weren't hospitalized, and also weren't readmitted to the hospital? What's the purpose of this anecdote?

No purpose, I guess. Just took the opportunity to share my experience. I am interested in reading about others' experiences, it's just that everything I could find (mostly on Reddit) depicted a much worse picture. And yet statistics say that the vast majority of people have it easy like me. I mentioned I would love a database like Erowid, with input from everyone who has had a confirmed infection. I'd read through al…

You're right that the experience reports skew in favour of the more extreme. However, I have enjoyed perusing reddit.com/r/covid19positive nonetheless (with that understanding)

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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I had persistent lung congestion for weeks. I did some research online and found this thing called a salt inhaler. That cleared it up in a couple of days. Salt has a way of pulling infections out of tissues.

I'm not a physician, but intentionally inhaling salt particles into the respiratory tract to 'pull infections out of tissues' strikes me as an extremely bad idea.

The description of the mechanism is probably wrong, but the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America says it's probably safe.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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> but we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well? I haven't backed up my personal data in years and nothing nasty has happened, despite all those catastrophic data-loss stories you read online. I'm all for proportional reporting time, but strangely, no one reports on stories like mine - it's most…

Similarly, I've been wearing my seatbelt my whole life and have never gotten into an accident while driving. My kid was placed on his back in the crib without any pillows or blankets, even though he hated it, but never once stopped breathing. I have health insurance but ... shit, there was that one time in high school where a kidney infection put me in the hospital and would've killed me had I not gone, was billed at…

> There's a reason we pay attention to tail risks, where the low-probability negative consequences are far worse than the high-probability costs of averting them. The vast majority of people are not going to die in car crashes, or of SIDS, or of COVID, or from untreated kidney infections. They are lucky.

No, by definition, they're the norm. They're not lucky, they're just normal. The expected outcome. The people who encounter the tail risks are unlucky.

Not too long ago, a part of a jet fell off over suburban Denver. I would be dismayed if someone -- engineers and investigators -- didn't obsess over this event. But if my brother wants to know if it's safe to get on an airplane, or live in suburban Denver, then my answer is not going to change.

I would also discourage anyone else from reading HN posts with obscure technical documents from Boeing and the FAA, and speculating about what it means for aviation in general. Or reading other peoples' posts on these topics, and sharing anecdotes about how "someone they knew" died in some ghastly aviation accident. And so on.

It is in our nature to exaggerate the importance of rare events. They are still rare.

> But the consequences of death are so much worse than the costs of wearing a mask, or not seeing your friends in person, or dealing with anxiety, that it's worth taking some precautions even if the chance that you'll die from COVID is low.

How did masks get swirled up into this? I swear...people will find any way to turn these things into a political debate. Can we agree that by this point, the debate about masks is fully baked, and no amount of discussion of Covid outcomes is going to change someone's mind?

You can find anecdotes on the internet to support literally any fear that you care to indulge. The point is, most of the time, these fears are not worth indulging, and what you read on the internet exaggerates the actual threat.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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What is the control? Folks admitted for (any other disease)? What was their readmission rate?

Folks needing hospitalization are pretty sick. If they're older, this seems a normal result. I'd have to see some statistics to call it remarkable.

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