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Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by s1artibartfast »

lifeformed wrote: post #85
dnautics wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're also an island. there's a strong multiscalar correlation between being an island and having good covid outcomes. NZ, Taiwan, South Korea (not technically an island, but might as well be), Australia, Japan. And at subnational levels too: The best us state is Hawaii. The best city in the bay area is Alameda.

How does being an island help? Are America's covid problems primarily caused by infected Mexicans crossing the border? Do the islands you listed not have much air travel?

The main difference is islands are smaller. New Zealand has about 1% of the population of the US

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

#102

Post by timr »

bserge wrote: post #93
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

I'll just add my own experience. I had almost no symptoms, no cough, no taste loss, not even sniffles. Likely infection date 15th of February. PCR test on the 24th of February. No symptoms at that point. 2 days later, I started feeling more tired than usual. The next day I had a mild fever and was sweating more than usual when exercising. This lasted 3 days, after which I only felt the fatigue for another 5 days. No…

I now personally know over a dozen people (ranging from mid-20s up through upper 40s) who have had Covid-19. All had minor illness and are now fine.

Which is not to say that others do not have lingering symptoms -- but if we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well?

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

#103

Post by amluto »

Izkata wrote: post #100
beachy wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like the xenophobic tone of the parent, but you are incorrect. > This would have entailed no one working at grocery stores, no deliveries, no travel, no global trade. I just don't buy that this was ever plausible for however long people suggest: 3 weeks, 6 weeks whatever. The experiences of (at least) New Zealand and Australia are clear evidence it is absolutely possible, without the absurd extremes you are t…

Both of which still have lockdowns. So no, they couldn't manage it either.

They periodically reimport it.

If I had to guess, I would guess that COVID can be transmitted by fomites, especially if kept cold, but that it’s extremely rare. In a place like the US or Europe, this is insignificant: your chance of getting seriously sick due to touching something is negligible, and the rate of additional cases due to this effect is inconsequential for public health. But in AU or NZ, where the background rate is essentially zero, a single reintroduction is a big deal.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by krona »

b3kart wrote: post #55
anoncake wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Long Covid is real. But temporary -- and not all that long compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now -- except in extremely rare cases. Evidence to the contrary is welcome, after more than a year there should be some.

> Evidence to the contrary is welcome You understand the burden of proof is on the person who's making a claim, not on people who disagree with the claim? I've too suffered being stuck at home for more than a year, but in my book this is still better than me or somebody else getting sick with god-only-knows what long term complications, which we don't have data for one way or another, and won't for some time still.

> You understand the burden of proof is on the person who's making a claim, not on people who disagree with the claim?

Interesting idea, but false in this case unless you are arguing that lockdowns are and will be, in perpetuity, the status quo.

> this is still better than me or somebody else getting sick with god-only-knows what long term complications, which we don't have data for one way or another

Are you arguing your presence in society is outweighed by the mere possibility of you having a negative effect on it?

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by [deleted] »

guscost wrote: post #87
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

This may be unpopular to say, but anxiety could have caused some or all of these symptoms.

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by bserge »

timr wrote: post #102
bserge wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll just add my own experience. I had almost no symptoms, no cough, no taste loss, not even sniffles. Likely infection date 15th of February. PCR test on the 24th of February. No symptoms at that point. 2 days later, I started feeling more tired than usual. The next day I had a mild fever and was sweating more than usual when exercising. This lasted 3 days, after which I only felt the fatigue for another 5 days. No…

I now personally know over a dozen people (ranging from mid-20s up through upper 40s) who have had Covid-19. All had minor illness and are now fine. Which is not to say that others do not have lingering symptoms -- but if we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well?

It would be great to have such a database of reports from anyone with a confirmed Covid infection. Like Erowid for Covid.

Most people (I read it's around 86%) having such mild symptoms that they don't even realize it's Covid must've contributed a lot to its rapid spread.

The more vulnerable people get the same virus and suffer much more. Perhaps vulnerable people should've been subjected to stricter lockdown measures, not sure what else could help reduce the deaths.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by snapetom »

mdoms wrote: post #89
dnautics wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can't say it would have worked. There are places that locked down harder than the US and still fared worse. I'll remind you that the EU had 1.5x the population adjusted mortality of the US, before their immunization shenanigans; and that's despite the US having an irresponsible science-denier president.

Half a million dead Americans. Fair to say what you're doing didn't work.

"the population adjusted mortality." I don't know why this is so hard to understand, and I'd expect a HN audience to understand how proportions work instead of just parroting hyperbole.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by sangnoir »

timr wrote: post #102
bserge wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll just add my own experience. I had almost no symptoms, no cough, no taste loss, not even sniffles. Likely infection date 15th of February. PCR test on the 24th of February. No symptoms at that point. 2 days later, I started feeling more tired than usual. The next day I had a mild fever and was sweating more than usual when exercising. This lasted 3 days, after which I only felt the fatigue for another 5 days. No…

I now personally know over a dozen people (ranging from mid-20s up through upper 40s) who have had Covid-19. All had minor illness and are now fine. Which is not to say that others do not have lingering symptoms -- but if we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well?

> but we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well?

I haven't backed up my personal data in years and nothing nasty has happened, despite all those catastrophic data-loss stories you read online. I'm all for proportional reporting time, but strangely, no one reports on stories like mine - it's mostly in the vein of "Company shutters after accidental db deletion". I wonder why.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by mattmanser »

timr wrote: post #102
bserge wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll just add my own experience. I had almost no symptoms, no cough, no taste loss, not even sniffles. Likely infection date 15th of February. PCR test on the 24th of February. No symptoms at that point. 2 days later, I started feeling more tired than usual. The next day I had a mild fever and was sweating more than usual when exercising. This lasted 3 days, after which I only felt the fatigue for another 5 days. No…

I now personally know over a dozen people (ranging from mid-20s up through upper 40s) who have had Covid-19. All had minor illness and are now fine. Which is not to say that others do not have lingering symptoms -- but if we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well?

Ok, but the UK has a large, integrated, health care system, with an office of national statistics that is following the disease and published this data.

It also talks about how poorer people, and those from non-white backgrounds are disproportionately likely to have worse outcomes.

Just because you don't see it happening in your circles, doesn't mean it's not happening in other ones.

The authors write in the BMJ: “The increase in risk was not confined to the elderly and was not uniform across ethnicities."

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by Bellyache5 »

JimDabell wrote: post #91
dnautics wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're also an island. there's a strong multiscalar correlation between being an island and having good covid outcomes. NZ, Taiwan, South Korea (not technically an island, but might as well be), Australia, Japan. And at subnational levels too: The best us state is Hawaii. The best city in the bay area is Alameda.

I don’t really understand this argument in relation to the USA. A country like Germany, where they are in the Schengen Area, surrounded on all sides by multiple countries, with no hard border? Sure, I can see that being a factor. But the USA has only two land borders, both of them hard. If the USA had locked down properly, it would have resembled New Zealand a lot more closely than Germany.

Based on the tens of thousands if illegal aliens flooding into the US across the southern border, I'm not sure it can be considered a "hard" border.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-enc...

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