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Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by JimDabell »

dnautics wrote: post #77
mdoms wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did it in New Zealand.

you're also an island. there's a strong multiscalar correlation between being an island and having good covid outcomes. NZ, Taiwan, South Korea (not technically an island, but might as well be), Australia, Japan. And at subnational levels too: The best us state is Hawaii. The best city in the bay area is Alameda.

I don’t really understand this argument in relation to the USA. A country like Germany, where they are in the Schengen Area, surrounded on all sides by multiple countries, with no hard border? Sure, I can see that being a factor. But the USA has only two land borders, both of them hard. If the USA had locked down properly, it would have resembled New Zealand a lot more closely than Germany.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by stretchwithme »

nonameiguess wrote: post #34
gxqoz wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen some pushback that a lot of hard-to-diagnose chronic syndromes are now being deemed "long covid." My assumption is that at least some of this is happening as it's the trendiest disease of the moment. Not to say there aren't a lot of people with clear-cut long covid syndromes.

Just to add to the post-viral syndrome chorus, this happened to me when I was 20. I caught what seemed like a pretty normal flu, but it eventually morphed into bronchitis and then pneumonia because I was an idiot who thought he was immortal and continued going out clubbing and staying out late with friends and it was four months before I finally saw a doctor and took the advice to rest and get blasted with high dose…

I had persistent lung congestion for weeks. I did some research online and found this thing called a salt inhaler. That cleared it up in a couple of days.

Salt has a way of pulling infections out of tissues.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by bserge »

jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

I'll just add my own experience. I had almost no symptoms, no cough, no taste loss, not even sniffles. Likely infection date 15th of February. PCR test on the 24th of February.

No symptoms at that point. 2 days later, I started feeling more tired than usual. The next day I had a mild fever and was sweating more than usual when exercising. This lasted 3 days, after which I only felt the fatigue for another 5 days.

No lasting effects that I can name.

I'm 31, male.

I had a cold around 5th-10th of February. I take levothyroxine every day, multivitamin everyday, Gabapentin every day, Vitamin C 500mg twice a week. Light exercise everyday, a more thorough workout twice a week. I drink alcohol and smoke tobacco regularly, and everyday between 24th of February - 15th of March.

I mention all that because some research said the cold and CV viruses are competitive, plus having the immune system "battle ready" after a simple cold could've helped. Levothyroxine increases metabolism, vitamins and exercise probably help. Smoking has been linked to lesser symptoms, too. I wonder what the effects would've been without all that.

Anxiety over Covid (I scared myself reading reports on Reddit) and losing my job (unrelated, but bad timing) was by far a bigger problem than the virus itself.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by noir_lord »

galangalalgol wrote: post #51
noir_lord wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have chrohn's and the treatment for that is high dose steroids or chopping sections out. Fortunately I'm on the mild end of the spectrum and flairs are infrequent but it'd be nice if we had something better to treat auto-immune disorders. To control my chrohns I changed my diet by removing foods, keeping track of general well being for a few weeks then gradually introducing them to see what happened til I found a r…

Do you have any good wisdom on how you got diagnosed and what diets? I've always had GI issues and I have found some triggers like mushrooms, blackberries and cauliflower which poimt towards SIBO but my GI doc says there is no SIBO treatment or diet, and sometimes I have problems even on fodmaps. I did AIP diet with my wife who has Hashi's and I think that might have helped a little but not sure. Everything my GI pre…

In my case my diagnosis was because they didn't know what was going on and the gastro doc ordered a camera both ends to rule things out - it showed up on the colonoscopy and the biopsies up til then I had no idea.

I'd lost a lot of weight worryingly fast - mostly because of massive reflux problems (barrets oesophagus), was having frequent bouts of vomiting and diarrhoea and was generally in a shit state all around - as for diet it's really hard to recommend anything to anyone else since it varies so much - what worked for me was keeping a detailed journal of what I ate, how I felt, how I slept, toilet habits, times etc then I cut out basically everything from my diet I could for a few weeks (think porridge, cottage cheese and mashed potato/oven cooked chicken breasts) and very gradually added things back still keeping the journal until I had actual data I could look at - for me there isn't really any one food or group that acts as a trigger red meat/processed meat comes the closest, it's large high fat/high carb (think Pizza) that do it - if I eat fresh foods/veggies/fish/cheese (hard not soft) and limited amounts of fruit I have it mostly under control but what works for me might wreck you.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by ahepp »

trickstra wrote: post #86
ahepp wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's up with people from NZ constantly spamming every post about covid with an "I DoNt uNdErStAnD wHy YoU dIdNt jUsT lOcK dOwN" Absolutely infuriating, look at a map dude inb4 vietnam Yeah, it's landlocked. Great job Vietnam, we should learn from how they did it. Doesn't change the fact that it's a major outlier.

Hello from Vietnam. Lockdowns are not about islands. It helps, kinda, but not completely. Vietnam completely sacrificed the tourist industry, unlike US or Europe. Quarantine is at a designated facility, not at home, unchecked, like in US or Europe. And dissent is suppressed. The last part is a bit unfortunate, but the former ones are really just a matter of decision. And it works.

Sincere congratulations, living in the US I think it's inspiring to see all the countries with incredible (and relatively equally distributed) health outcomes at costs that society can bear.

That said, I want people from island countries to stop saying "being an island country has nothing to do with it", when all evidence and logic says being an island country has a lot to do with it.

I'll happily take criticism from Vietnam, even if I think it's of questionable utility to say "you just did it wrong" when the overwhelming majority of countries seem to have "done it wrong"

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by beachy »

skipwalker wrote: post #75
mdoms wrote: post #66

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

I'm sorry but I think this is hogwash. The idea that America could function for 6 weeks in a lockdown to the level described to actually stop the transmission, by the time transmission started, is not plausible to me, and I imagine many others. This would have entailed no one working at grocery stores, no deliveries, no travel, no global trade. I just don't buy that this was ever plausible for however long people sug…

I don't like the xenophobic tone of the parent, but you are incorrect.

> This would have entailed no one working at grocery stores, no deliveries, no travel, no global trade. I just don't buy that this was ever plausible for however long people suggest: 3 weeks, 6 weeks whatever.

The experiences of (at least) New Zealand and Australia are clear evidence it is absolutely possible, without the absurd extremes you are talking about.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by bserge »

randomopining wrote: post #38

I had both vaccines shots and prob got covid last week. Had no nasal congestion, 100F low fever coming and going, little fatigue, night sweats. After I felt more normal, developed a little cough that I still have.

Sounds close to my symptoms. Different than a cold because I had no nasal congestion, pain in my throat/neck, cough or the usual weird effects on my ears (sometimes one or the other feels "covered", an imbalance in hearing, when I have a cold).

Shouldn't the vaccine have helped, though? I don't know.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by s1artibartfast »

mdoms wrote: post #66

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

Try to get 350, million different people to pull in the direction of anything and you’ll have the same reaction.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by stretchwithme »

All the more reason to make sure you're getting enough Vitamins D and K2.

Here's an interesting explanation of how Vitamin D helps the immune system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT1CaTv5-e4

Vitamin D improves your uptake of calcium. Vitamin K2 makes sure calcium goes where it's supposed to go. You want your BONES calcified, not your arteries.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by Izkata »

beachy wrote: post #96
skipwalker wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but I think this is hogwash. The idea that America could function for 6 weeks in a lockdown to the level described to actually stop the transmission, by the time transmission started, is not plausible to me, and I imagine many others. This would have entailed no one working at grocery stores, no deliveries, no travel, no global trade. I just don't buy that this was ever plausible for however long people sug…

I don't like the xenophobic tone of the parent, but you are incorrect. > This would have entailed no one working at grocery stores, no deliveries, no travel, no global trade. I just don't buy that this was ever plausible for however long people suggest: 3 weeks, 6 weeks whatever. The experiences of (at least) New Zealand and Australia are clear evidence it is absolutely possible, without the absurd extremes you are t…

Both of which still have lockdowns. So no, they couldn't manage it either.
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