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Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by emptysongglass »

mdoms wrote: post #66

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

I'm not sure this is true. We did it right in Denmark and we're still in what is starting to feel like one long lockdown with no end in sight.

Our vaccination numbers are terrible: at the rate we are vaccinating all Danes will have started their first vaccination round by July 21st, 2022. [1]

We've had the Moderna vaccine since January 13th [2] of the previous year. This is not people failing, these are our leaders failing.

I was so gung ho about us coming together to make the sacrifices and beat this thing but now a year and a half later I'm done with the colossal failures of our leadership and the promulgation of fear everywhere.

[1] https://hvorlangtervi.dk/english

[2] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vac...

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by amscanne »

mdoms wrote: post #66

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

Are you saying that an Wuhan-style lockdown would have been a better or even feasible approach?

I don't think humans anywhere are able to "pull in the same direction" to the extent that such a lockdown is possible without an authoritarian government. Italy imposed pretty draconian rules for at least six weeks, and has still had to deal with a second wave and additional lockdowns.

Personally, I think that the principles of personal freedom (that such an authoritarian government is largely incompatible with) are much more valuable in the long run. Working through the disease has been messier in the last year, but the economic system largely based on these principles was also able to produce novel vaccines. While the last year has been rough, I'm much happier overall that I don't live in a place where an authoritarian lockdown is even possible.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by mdoms »

amscanne wrote: post #72
mdoms wrote: post #66

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

Are you saying that an Wuhan-style lockdown would have been a better or even feasible approach? I don't think humans anywhere are able to "pull in the same direction" to the extent that such a lockdown is possible without an authoritarian government. Italy imposed pretty draconian rules for at least six weeks, and has still had to deal with a second wave and additional lockdowns. Personally, I think that the principl…

We did it in New Zealand.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by pengaru »

anoncake wrote: post #48
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

> Long Covid is real. But temporary -- and not all that long compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now -- except in extremely rare cases. Evidence to the contrary is welcome, after more than a year there should be some.

> compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now

Speak for yourself!

My life was largely unchanged by covid beyond wearing a facial covering in public which I actually prefer. What a joy to not only walk into banks dressed like a bandit without getting arrested, but to be asked to do it and thanked for cooperating!

This certainly hasn't been any sort of hell for me, but catching covid let alone "long covid" seems likely to be quite awful and potentially life-changing for anyone.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by skipwalker »

mdoms wrote: post #66

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

I'm sorry but I think this is hogwash. The idea that America could function for 6 weeks in a lockdown to the level described to actually stop the transmission, by the time transmission started, is not plausible to me, and I imagine many others. This would have entailed no one working at grocery stores, no deliveries, no travel, no global trade. I just don't buy that this was ever plausible for however long people suggest: 3 weeks, 6 weeks whatever. And to what end. When do we open up to the rest of the world. I think your sentiment is hindsight wishful thinking/blame assignment. Now, criticizing the fact that we did not try what I would term more effective measures to stop transmission are fair points. Wide-spread cheap testing, ramping up massive manufacturing of real N95 respirators for the entire country, I think these are more plausibly effective techniques we did not do that are worthy of criticism.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by ahepp »

mdoms wrote: post #73
amscanne wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that an Wuhan-style lockdown would have been a better or even feasible approach? I don't think humans anywhere are able to "pull in the same direction" to the extent that such a lockdown is possible without an authoritarian government. Italy imposed pretty draconian rules for at least six weeks, and has still had to deal with a second wave and additional lockdowns. Personally, I think that the principl…

We did it in New Zealand.

What's up with people from NZ constantly spamming every post about covid with an "I DoNt uNdErStAnD wHy YoU dIdNt jUsT lOcK dOwN"

Absolutely infuriating, look at a map dude

inb4 vietnam

Yeah, it's landlocked. Great job Vietnam, we should learn from how they did it. Doesn't change the fact that it's a major outlier.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by dnautics »

mdoms wrote: post #73
amscanne wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that an Wuhan-style lockdown would have been a better or even feasible approach? I don't think humans anywhere are able to "pull in the same direction" to the extent that such a lockdown is possible without an authoritarian government. Italy imposed pretty draconian rules for at least six weeks, and has still had to deal with a second wave and additional lockdowns. Personally, I think that the principl…

We did it in New Zealand.

you're also an island. there's a strong multiscalar correlation between being an island and having good covid outcomes. NZ, Taiwan, South Korea (not technically an island, but might as well be), Australia, Japan. And at subnational levels too: The best us state is Hawaii. The best city in the bay area is Alameda.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by incrudible »

azakai wrote: post #59
incrudible wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Age isn't the only factor, you need to control for underlying health conditions, which apparently they chose not to. Suppose you have COPD at age 50, for one you are less likely to live to 70 , but also you are at a far greater risk with COVID. It would not be unexpected if such a person were readmitted to the hospital or die months later.

They did account for underlying health conditions. The control group was matched for relevant clinincal diagnoses, as well as general health factors like BMI and smoking (see "matching variables" section in the paper).

I see that they were matched now, still the control group wasn't hospitalized, which must skew the result.

Looking at the tables, you might get the idea that COVID hospitalization causes a lot of diabetes. The way they arrive at that is to count the diabetes diagnoses made after COVID admission.

However to me it seems far more likely that a diabetic without a diagnosis (which is common) gets hospitalized with COVID, then gets their diabetes diagnosis in the ensuing medical surveillance. Having an undiagnosed liver or heart issue is also common.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by mdoms »

dnautics wrote: post #77
mdoms wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did it in New Zealand.

you're also an island. there's a strong multiscalar correlation between being an island and having good covid outcomes. NZ, Taiwan, South Korea (not technically an island, but might as well be), Australia, Japan. And at subnational levels too: The best us state is Hawaii. The best city in the bay area is Alameda.

The lockdown worked, though... We had the virus, then we locked down, then we didn't have the virus. Why didn't you lock down?

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by twox2 »

pengaru wrote: post #74
anoncake wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Long Covid is real. But temporary -- and not all that long compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now -- except in extremely rare cases. Evidence to the contrary is welcome, after more than a year there should be some.

> compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now Speak for yourself! My life was largely unchanged by covid beyond wearing a facial covering in public which I actually prefer. What a joy to not only walk into banks dressed like a bandit without getting arrested, but to be asked to do it and thanked for cooperating! This certainly hasn't been any sort of hell for me, but catching covid let alone…

Funny, my life even changed for the better in many ways... work from home is wonderful.
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