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Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by galangalalgol »

noir_lord wrote: post #45
galangalalgol wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of post viral stuff seems to be autoimmune, and we don't treat autoimmune well. Chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia weren't even recognized as real things not that long ago. Others like RA or Hashi's we suppress the immune system and/or rely entirely on simple tests to determine medication levels instead of relying on patient testamony and testing instead for over medication symptoms. These feedback loops are amaz…

I have chrohn's and the treatment for that is high dose steroids or chopping sections out. Fortunately I'm on the mild end of the spectrum and flairs are infrequent but it'd be nice if we had something better to treat auto-immune disorders. To control my chrohns I changed my diet by removing foods, keeping track of general well being for a few weeks then gradually introducing them to see what happened til I found a r…

Do you have any good wisdom on how you got diagnosed and what diets? I've always had GI issues and I have found some triggers like mushrooms, blackberries and cauliflower which poimt towards SIBO but my GI doc says there is no SIBO treatment or diet, and sometimes I have problems even on fodmaps. I did AIP diet with my wife who has Hashi's and I think that might have helped a little but not sure. Everything my GI prescribes just makes it worse. I can't eat sweet potatoes anymore after he put me on a round of fluconozole.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by brundolf »

splithalf wrote: post #36
gxqoz wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen some pushback that a lot of hard-to-diagnose chronic syndromes are now being deemed "long covid." My assumption is that at least some of this is happening as it's the trendiest disease of the moment. Not to say there aren't a lot of people with clear-cut long covid syndromes.

One unexpected long covid symptom: writing buggy code. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/buffer-overruns-lice...

The virus has hopped from humans to computers

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by itake »

anoncake wrote: post #48
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

> Long Covid is real. But temporary -- and not all that long compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now -- except in extremely rare cases. Evidence to the contrary is welcome, after more than a year there should be some.

> surveys conducted by patient groups indicate that 50% to 80% of patients continue to have bothersome symptoms three months after the onset of COVID-19 — even after tests no longer detect virus in their body.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-...

Search for the term "covid long haulers" to get more information.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by mvid »

anoncake wrote: post #48
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

> Long Covid is real. But temporary -- and not all that long compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now -- except in extremely rare cases. Evidence to the contrary is welcome, after more than a year there should be some.

Death isn’t temporary.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by b3kart »

anoncake wrote: post #48
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

> Long Covid is real. But temporary -- and not all that long compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now -- except in extremely rare cases. Evidence to the contrary is welcome, after more than a year there should be some.

> Evidence to the contrary is welcome

You understand the burden of proof is on the person who's making a claim, not on people who disagree with the claim?

I've too suffered being stuck at home for more than a year, but in my book this is still better than me or somebody else getting sick with god-only-knows what long term complications, which we don't have data for one way or another, and won't for some time still.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by genericone »

gxqoz wrote: post #21
Tarsul wrote: post #5

what I find to be even more astonishing: "and about one in eight had died", so 1/8 of those who were in hospital for covid AND discharged afterwards, died within 4 months. We also had another article in the guardian that said that 1 million of people in the UK suffer from long covid ("Symptoms vary but include fatigue, muscle pain and difficulty concentrating."): https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/01/long-c…

I've seen some pushback that a lot of hard-to-diagnose chronic syndromes are now being deemed "long covid." My assumption is that at least some of this is happening as it's the trendiest disease of the moment. Not to say there aren't a lot of people with clear-cut long covid syndromes.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't think it's just trendy, its also profitable. Insurance claims with "covid" noted are, in my rational opinion, processed a lot more liberally, quickly, and without deeply looking at the details of the claim. The claimant could probably even charge insurance more for the same service if covid is noted in the claim notes.

The political/social powder-keg of denying a covid related insurance claim is not one that a health insurance corporation would probably be willing to take, at least for another year or 2.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by alacombe »

incrudible wrote: post #50
randomopining wrote: post #38

I had both vaccines shots and prob got covid last week. Had no nasal congestion, 100F low fever coming and going, little fatigue, night sweats. After I felt more normal, developed a little cough that I still have.

Those symptoms are consistent with the dozens of common cold viruses that haven't diseappeared. Consider that many people get COVID tests because they are symptomatic , yet most of them are negative.

According to https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/flu..., there has been pretty much no flu season this year compared to ~any other year (which in itself is highly suspect).

Last week of January reported 55 vs 23,972 on average any other season.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by randomopining »

incrudible wrote: post #50
randomopining wrote: post #38

I had both vaccines shots and prob got covid last week. Had no nasal congestion, 100F low fever coming and going, little fatigue, night sweats. After I felt more normal, developed a little cough that I still have.

Those symptoms are consistent with the dozens of common cold viruses that haven't diseappeared. Consider that many people get COVID tests because they are symptomatic , yet most of them are negative.

I've never had a cold without some level of nasal congestion. That's the only reason that I think it was most likely covid.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by azakai »

incrudible wrote: post #46
nightpool wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The excerpt from the study quoted above says "Rate ratios were greater for individuals aged less than 70 ... with the largest differences seen for respiratory disease (10.5 (95% confidence interval 9.7 to 11.4) for age less than 70 years v 4.6 (4.3 to 4.8) for age ≥70)" Isn't that a clear indication that there's something besides "general trends in old people" going on here?

Age isn't the only factor, you need to control for underlying health conditions, which apparently they chose not to. Suppose you have COPD at age 50, for one you are less likely to live to 70 , but also you are at a far greater risk with COVID. It would not be unexpected if such a person were readmitted to the hospital or die months later.

They did account for underlying health conditions. The control group was matched for relevant clinincal diagnoses, as well as general health factors like BMI and smoking (see "matching variables" section in the paper).

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Post by lostlogin »

randomopining wrote: post #38

I had both vaccines shots and prob got covid last week. Had no nasal congestion, 100F low fever coming and going, little fatigue, night sweats. After I felt more normal, developed a little cough that I still have.

How soon after the immunisation did you get those symptoms? If it was just a day or two, it might be that.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/...

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