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Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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How do you make 15 million of anything without realizing there's an issue, let alone the most scrutinized thing on the planet right now?

It's not the most scrutinized thing on the planet with the emergence of pro-vaxxers (the anti anti-vaxxers) who refuses to acknowledge anything bad about vaccines.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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"He" is 'a common and accepted genderless pronoun.' ? Uh, no. And continuing to propagate damaging falsehoods make it very tough for many of us. "He" is a male pronoun. He/Him/His "She" is a female pronoun. She/Her/Hers "They" is a neutral pronoun. They/Them/Theirs

Dominique (a non-gendered name) goes to school everyday. They take the bus. Is this a proper English sentence? (question from a non native speaker)

As a native english speaker I consider that valid.

The possible confusion is the fact that “they” could be singular or plural. AKA “singular they” [1].

Your second sentence could be referring to some other group of people who are not Dominique who instead of going to school take the bus.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

#74

Alternate title: Quality Control and Safety procedures (put in place to meet medical manufacturing regulations) prevent a bad batch of vaccines from entering the market and potentially harming patients.

Agree with you Quality assurance guys saved and stopped the batch before it was out for general public for use, could have adverse effect on patients, if it was rolled out.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Jesus Christ, this shouldn't happen in a certified cGMP (food) facility let alone a pharmaceutical plant. HACCP would prevent this in any number of ways.

Errors like this happen in every single GMP and clinical facility. What makes them different is 1) there are ample checks in place to prevent mistakes from ever leaving the facility, and 2) there is process that reduces the chances of having it happen in the first place. But all of these places will have incident logs of mistakes like this, along with corrective actions that change the procedures and make it less lik…

> Errors like this happen in every single GMP and clinical facility.

They shouldn't happen in a 150yr old, multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical company.

How hard is it to restrict the ingredients available to the "chef" to the ones needed for the current product? Not hard at all unless you want to save a few dollars cutting corners.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Yes, a common and accepted genderless pronoun.

When has 'he' ever been used in a genderless context?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Be_a_Pilgrim is the first example that springs to mind.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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It bothers me that people have expectations of perfection. Of course there will be breaks in the chain the lead to doses being wasted. There are thousands or millions of ways for it to go wrong, and only a few ways for it to go right. It is an astounding miracle of human progress that we can get to this point.

Accepting that mistakes will sometimes happen does not absolve the need to prevent said mistakes from happening in the future. It certainly doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't be critical of the events leading up to those mistakes.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

#78
post #60

This should make some people sleep badly. Assuming somewhat efficient allocation, a 30 day delay delivering 15 * 10^6 one-shot vaccines equals ~1100 deaths[0], plus many long term health issues for survivors. Fingers crossed this f*ckup won't delay the lifting of the US vaccine export restrictions. Many people objectively need the vaccine much more urgently than the healthy young adults currently starting to be vacci…

Sure it's not great and the incident needs to be investigated but mistakes happen. We shouldn't expect perfection as a baseline. If nobody is willing to take risks, we wouldn't have any vaccines right now.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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I wonder if those vaccines were primarily going to be distributed locally. I live nearby, and my county's weekly covid update said they expect to have most people 16+ vaccinated by the end of April because we're supposed start getting an increased number of vaccine doses every week.

"The error should not affect Johnson & Johnson doses currently being delivered and administered nationwide, as they were produced in the Netherlands. ... The Times says the accident won't stop the U.S. from reaching President Biden's goal of having enough vaccine by the end of May for every adult, but in the global race against the virus, every dose counts." Won't affect vaccine delivery for Americans. Difficult to s…

Probably won't affect rest of the world given the US export ban is going to be around until second half of the year.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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When has 'he' ever been used in a genderless context?

Apparently it started in the 18th century, so there's a lot of inertia to overcome to get people to change. But she says it was from the 18th century onwards that people started using male pronouns when describing someone of a non-specific gender in writing and this marks the time when opinions on what pronouns should be used started to change. "You might have a sentence like 'if a student comes to see the teacher, h…

I have been learning Italian. Don’t slam me for this if it’s wrong I am a beginner. But there are a number of contexts in Italian to which lei (she) is used. One for polite and respectful use (such as a general in the army, regardless of gender) or if the person’s gender is unknown.

Just thought I’d throw that out there.

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