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Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by Johnny555 »

markdown wrote: post #27
endisneigh wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Context: Workers at the plant, which had been producing Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines, conflated the ingredients between the two different types of vaccines, destroying 15 million doses of Johnson & Johnson vaccine, according to the Times.

Jesus Christ, this shouldn't happen in a certified cGMP (food) facility let alone a pharmaceutical plant. HACCP would prevent this in any number of ways.

I think you mean it shouldn't happen undetected... these kinds of mistakes can and do happen. Everything from human error (oops, Billy put baking powder in the baking soda tank) to equipment error (the tank valve stuck open, adding 10X more of ingredient X than expected)

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by Johnny555 »

lanternfish wrote: post #55
Guthur wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a common and accepted genderless pronoun.

When has 'he' ever been used in a genderless context?

Apparently it started in the 18th century, so there's a lot of inertia to overcome to get people to change.

But she says it was from the 18th century onwards that people started using male pronouns when describing someone of a non-specific gender in writing and this marks the time when opinions on what pronouns should be used started to change.

"You might have a sentence like 'if a student comes to see the teacher, he must bring his homework', where he is supposed to refer generically to males and females," explains Dr Emma Moore.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49754930

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by pengaru »

lanternfish wrote: post #55
Guthur wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a common and accepted genderless pronoun.

When has 'he' ever been used in a genderless context?

Welcome to the English language.

It's technically correct to use He when the gender is unknown.

Provided by a sibling dead comment, see 2nd definition:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/he

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by jamesrcole »

anitil wrote: post #15

It bothers me that people have expectations of perfection. Of course there will be breaks in the chain the lead to doses being wasted. There are thousands or millions of ways for it to go wrong, and only a few ways for it to go right. It is an astounding miracle of human progress that we can get to this point.

How easily avoidable was the error? If it was caused by gross negligence then it’d be fair to criticize those at fault.

We don’t know, but you seem to be assuming it wasn’t as the result of negligence.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by HWR_14 »

briefcomment wrote: post #3

How do you make 15 million of anything without realizing there's an issue, let alone the most scrutinized thing on the planet right now?

It's probably analogous to making a mistake in a single line that gets pushed to production - that then gets patched downstream into all 15 million customer's systems. Large systems moving in giant batches.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by HWR_14 »

hetspookjee wrote: post #26

It's funny to read it as J&J vaccine, while here in the Netherlands where the institute we all call it Janssen because that is the name of the institute. Im also in favor if the title reflected Janssen as well but I guess it's what it is as the article and the rest of America also calls it J&J vaccine. It's just a bit weird that it now gets the American name while they're just the parent company and didn't were invol…

It's based on the name most well-known/respected in the target population. Janssen is well known and has a better reputation in the Netherlands. J&J is better known and has a better reputation in America. It's quite literally marketing.

See also Pfizer vs. BioNTech

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by herewulf »

duckfang wrote: post #54
Guthur wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a common and accepted genderless pronoun.

"He" is 'a common and accepted genderless pronoun.' ? Uh, no. And continuing to propagate damaging falsehoods make it very tough for many of us. "He" is a male pronoun. He/Him/His "She" is a female pronoun. She/Her/Hers "They" is a neutral pronoun. They/Them/Theirs

"They" is a plural pronoun. Obviously.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

duckfang wrote: post #54
Guthur wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a common and accepted genderless pronoun.

"He" is 'a common and accepted genderless pronoun.' ? Uh, no. And continuing to propagate damaging falsehoods make it very tough for many of us. "He" is a male pronoun. He/Him/His "She" is a female pronoun. She/Her/Hers "They" is a neutral pronoun. They/Them/Theirs

Dominique (a non-gendered name) goes to school everyday. They take the bus.

Is this a proper English sentence?

(question from a non native speaker)

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Post by eecc »

anitil wrote: post #15

It bothers me that people have expectations of perfection. Of course there will be breaks in the chain the lead to doses being wasted. There are thousands or millions of ways for it to go wrong, and only a few ways for it to go right. It is an astounding miracle of human progress that we can get to this point.

Exactly, particularly during an emergency where many procedures are being redefined in the interest of time and new processes learned.
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