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Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Missing a lot of information to actually answer that question. Was the engineer wilfully negligent of checks and balances put in place. Was he wilfully negligent because of undue pressure to deliver more in the same time and without any system changes. Did his mother recently die and he couldn't take time off to grieve properly. There are many aspects that make up the analysis of a failure in quality, and that is the…

Ok let me expand the choices then. C) Fire the engineer's manager. D) Resign.

I've a feeling that everyone has misinterpret the sentiment of my remark.

What i was trying to imply is that there's something to be reviewed here and it's leaderships responsibility to do so.

I'm feeling that potentially with covid and all it's a little too emotive and the whole comment was misplaced and doomed to degenerate into a slinging match.

Also there is a lack of detailed knowledge that precludes me from making more detailed statements.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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"He"?

Yes, a common and accepted genderless pronoun.

"He" is 'a common and accepted genderless pronoun.' ?

Uh, no. And continuing to propagate damaging falsehoods make it very tough for many of us.

"He" is a male pronoun. He/Him/His

"She" is a female pronoun. She/Her/Hers

"They" is a neutral pronoun. They/Them/Theirs

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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It's funny to read it as J&J vaccine, while here in the Netherlands where the institute we all call it Janssen because that is the name of the institute. Im also in favor if the title reflected Janssen as well but I guess it's what it is as the article and the rest of America also calls it J&J vaccine. It's just a bit weird that it now gets the American name while they're just the parent company and didn't were invol…

Vaccine providers(at least some) are referring to it as J&J/Janssen, or even just Janssen sometimes, here in the USA.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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How do you make 15 million of anything without realizing there's an issue, let alone the most scrutinized thing on the planet right now?

I'm guessing because you're not really making "15 million of something". The process is more like making one or two (or ten) batches, which is then sub-divided into 15 million doses. It'd be like the difference between burning dinner 7 nights in a row, versus making a single mistake during Meal Prep Sunday and ruining a weeks worth of dinners all at once. The latter is much more understandable.

It’s rare that an analogy is so easy to understand while remaining highly accurate. Nice.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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It'll be one vat with the potential for 15 million doses... the corrupted mix never reached the individual dose stage.

I find it sad how quick the narrative jumps to the more absurd 15 million number. Obviously, the mistake is bad. But this is something with a very high fan out. And the smaller number just doesn't get the clicks. :(

And it's J+J's name that goes in the headline. It wasn't even their fault. At least they didn't somehow cram the AZ connection in there too, though I'm sure other outlets are working on it.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a common and accepted genderless pronoun.

"He" is 'a common and accepted genderless pronoun.' ? Uh, no. And continuing to propagate damaging falsehoods make it very tough for many of us. "He" is a male pronoun. He/Him/His "She" is a female pronoun. She/Her/Hers "They" is a neutral pronoun. They/Them/Theirs

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/he

2nd definition.

Re: Baltimore plant ruins 15M Johnson and Johnson coronavirus vaccines

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This should make some people sleep badly.

Assuming somewhat efficient allocation, a 30 day delay delivering 15 * 10^6 one-shot vaccines equals ~1100 deaths[0], plus many long term health issues for survivors.

Fingers crossed this f*ckup won't delay the lifting of the US vaccine export restrictions. Many people objectively need the vaccine much more urgently than the healthy young adults currently starting to be vaccinated in the US.

[0] rough extrapolation based upon current covid-19 mortality rates in Belgium, available at https://epistat.wiv-isp.be/covid/covid-19.html

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