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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Are people really using votes like that? You putting your trust in deciding quality in a vote count? There's so much wrong with that.

It's better to present your alternative hypothesis than engage in personal criticism.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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post #170

Has anyone else been slowly watching YouTube turn into cable TV? When I search "Hong Kong protests" I just get a bunch of videos from CNN and Fox News, not that long ago a search like that would turn up first hand videos of people who were there. Now they are copying streaming services in making it harder to tell what is garbage and what is worth watching.

Yeah, slowly but surely YouTube is destroying itself. Which is very sad, because it's been an amazing resource. I'd love to see ByteDance do a YouTube competitor. (Or, dream of all dreams, see something distributed really take off.)

Sadly as long as google dominates search there is little chance that any other video site will get any traction since Google biases towards youtube and away from start up steaming sites.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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This seems deceptive more than anything else. If a content creator doesn't want their videos to be rated they can disable like/dislike ratings entirely. But to remove public dislikes across the entire site takes away a valuable indicator of video quality. Like/Dislike ratio can also express approval and disapproval for the subject itself, which is also valuable.

> Like/Dislike ratio can also express approval and disapproval for the subject itself, which is also valuable.

No it is not. It only causes unnecessary frustration for content creators. Some of them may give up instead of trying again.

And for viewers, their recommender is likely already good enough to recommend good videos ignoring dislikes signal.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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It's because of what happens when the White House forgets to disable comments and dislikes. https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/359823/former...

There's a site tracking these, some of the stats on older videos with high views are crazy (down the page): https://81m.org

Woah - that is surprising. I wonder what the cause of the dislikes is on these videos? Is it targeted or just no overlap from Biden supporters and YouTube? Or they're not happy with Biden. Very telling that YouTube are moving to remove the dislikes though..

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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It's interesting to compare this to the Trump Whitehouse Archive: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCITMedGC5PA-zMrLTH5-kg Almost the exact inverse like/dislike ratio. Biden received more votes than any other presidential candidate in history, AND they should skew much younger than Trump voters. So why is it that the Biden White House channel struggles so much with likes vs dislikes?

YouTube transferred all the Trump's WH subs to Biden's WH - while Trump's WH had started with zero. Very stupid idea and apparently requested by the Biden admin. Now you have millions of Trump subs just disliking every video.

Oh well that explains it. I'm surprised they didn't see that coming.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Smells political alright. The Biden admin disabled comments on all official The White House channel videos pretty quickly into their administration. Most videos have a tremendously high dislike to like ratio, the most recent is 3.4K dislikes to 205 likes. I don't know who they expect to consume their Youtube content but it apparently isn't the establishment's voter base. This is another brick in the wall that is Yout…

To me this sounds like, Right: Cancel culture is bad! Youtube: You're right, so we are removing downvotes! Right: NOOOOO!!! I want to downvote Biden videos and cancel him! It is a little silly. YouTube was removing the downvotes manually as "spam" anyway. Removing the button is just easier for them. The view count is much more telling. It seems like they'd have to pay out more ad money to artificially pump those numb…

Downvotes aren't cancel culture. Trollish at times, absolutely. Potentially useful for brigading activities? Yes.

I think it's disingenuous to conflate negative feedback of any kind with 'cancel culture' (an overly broad and imprecise term, to be fair).

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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post #131

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I'm not outraged - I'm amused. The ultimate admission the only way they can spread their messaging is through force, not honest competition of ideas. How superior. Nothing proves you have a worthy argument better than outright hiding from dissent. Again, they don't care if you stay on the platform. If they did, they wouldn't touch it. The disagreement buttons were added in the first place because they increase and ma…

> Again, they don't care if you stay on the platform. Why not? Even if you're right that they care more about propaganda than money, what's the point of propagandising to an empty room?

If logic were involved we wouldn't be having a discussion about removing dislikes in the first place, no? :)
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