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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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post #4

It doesn't look like they're removing dislikes at all, but rather hiding the count of dislikes from viewers of the video (in a test).

It would be interesting to know if there is an effect where users are more likely to dislike a video with a bad ratio. If the public perception of a like ratio influenced the viewer's opinion.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

#102
post #9

This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Companies are only interested in user behavior that increases engagement. Everything else is on the chopping block.

Downvotes increase engagement. Otherwise they wouldn't have been put there in the first place.

No, the real issue here is too many of the "right" things are getting downvoted. So when The White House, Disney or the Academy disable downvotes on part or all of their videos but other wide swaths of videos don't need to disable downvotes, the contrast causes them to stick out like a sore thumb.

It calls attention (also known as engagement) - but not the kind of attention those who run social media companies want. Attention that is counter to the desired narratives is unacceptable. So here we go with the lame excuses that are all the sudden relevant when they weren't when the like/dislike stuff was instated decades ago?

Give me a break.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

#103
post #8

It's quickly getting to the point where being exposed to youtube at all just opens you up to a ton of intentional manipulation from an organization who's entire product is manipulating people for pay. It's probably best to completely avoid all of it.

Newpipe -> disable comments, disable recommendations. I only see what I search for and I don't have to see the opinions of morons in the comments.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

#105
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smells political alright. The Biden admin disabled comments on all official The White House channel videos pretty quickly into their administration. Most videos have a tremendously high dislike to like ratio, the most recent is 3.4K dislikes to 205 likes. I don't know who they expect to consume their Youtube content but it apparently isn't the establishment's voter base. This is another brick in the wall that is Yout…

You think Youtube is removing dislikes because of white house vids that average out less than ~25000 views each?

They are removing dislikes because dislikes bring negativity to the YouTube space. Imagine what getting dislikes feels like when you have put your heart into a video. People expressing their disapproval without a qualifying comment is not constructive.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

#106
post #30

Next, IMDB only allows ratings between 8-10.

Rotten Tomatoes is already highly manipulated and editorialized. For example, the interpretation of whether a review was "fresh" or "rotten" is completely subjective and made by editors.

You can see the agenda pushing and manipulation on such films as Ghostbusters (2016).

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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post #80
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol - YouTube and most social media is no longer for us plebs. It's all about pushing propaganda, and unfortunately plebs mass rejecting politically motivated BS is too problematic. Instead of trying to engage/change minds it's just easier to pretend "problems" like people having the temerity to call BS don't exist. Double plus good.

Even "pushing propaganda" is a bit higher minded than social media seems to be. It's all about the money. ALL about the money. How do social companies make money? They sell ads. How do you make more money selling ads? Either you show more ads (increase ad density, or increase eyeball-time-on-platform), or you make more money per ad (I used to see plenty of scam sites - new Kobota tractor for $1500, free shipping, dom…

Don't believe message is more important than ads? Even though everyone is locked down sheltering in place due to COVID pro sports and Hollywood award show ratings are abysmal. If they were all about chasing the almighty dollar there would have been messaging changes well before now.

BTW - there is no better driver of traffic (engagement) to something than a good like/dislike war. This has zero to do with money or they wouldn't be touching it.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

#108

Honestly, it seems like there's no easy win here. I think people for and against this both have good arguments. For example, getting rid of dislikes could mitigate the effects of synthetic brigading campaigns. On the other hand, keeping them could in certain cases give a better view of the organic reaction to a video. I don't spend every day trying to solve these problems so I don't have a strong opinion about what t…

Synthetic brigading is what exactly? Bands of synthetics downvoting videos to bring about downfall of humanity? Or do people's opinions count less if they are organized?

Not sure if that was hyperbole, but since you ask, yeah I think it could actually bring about the downfall of humanity. For example, what if climate science videos were being significantly brigaded by bots controlled by oil companies? Might not be that far-fetched. If we fail to communicate effectively about issues like that, we could very well see the downfall of humanity. Even "organic" brigading by the anti-vaxx crowd on related videos seems like an existential threat.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

#109
post #9

This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Companies are only interested in user behavior that increases engagement. Everything else is on the chopping block.

Yep. I think this is the sort of thing that could potentially backfire on them, though. Engagement through addiction sadly seems to be a bottomless goldmine, but engagement through deception can leave people dissatisfied and ripe for poaching by a competitor. If hiding downvotes does cause people to watch more bad and misleadingly-titled content, that could be profitable in the short term but dangerous in the medium-long term.
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