Hey, would somebody mind breaking down the different not-necessarily-AI things? Like is machine learning the same as neural nets or a subset? This would be tremendously useful! I would assume "expert systems" falls somewhere at the bottom of the list, right above "good old vanilla programming". Dunno how linear regression fits in.
Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately marketing is everything. Engineers like to build nice shiny things without much of an eye on how to sell it. If you can slap "AI" on it and make some $, then why not? The end customer may not really care. Its not exactly like calling an apple "organic". Theres no certification process or consensus on what AI actually is or means.
We, the people doing the actual work, have a moral responsibility to resist our work being dishonestly marketed. And certainly a moral responsibility not to engage in it ourselves.
Well said. If we consider ourselves engineers we should always have the public as our first responsibility.
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#103Reminds me when X-rays first were discovered, everyone claimed their product contained them, including X-ray headache tablets, golf balls, stove polish, razor blades. https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.242035157 for some fun pictures. I won't be surprised when AI toothbrushes come out.
The Ad for the "x-ray stove polish" lists "cannot explode" as a feature which makes me wonder about their competitions polish
See also "Clean bathrooms!" billboards when road tripping.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Ad for the "x-ray stove polish" lists "cannot explode" as a feature which makes me wonder about their competitions polish
Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/641
This still happens a lot with some more mundane things. I picked up a bag of sugar the other day that said "gluten-free sugar!"
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#105The rebuttal to this view is "provide a principled definition of intelligence". Doesn't seem like the article does this. A hint appears partway through: "computers will not be able to match humans in their ability to reason abstractly about real-world situations". Does human intelligence distinguish itself by its "abstractness" and by its application to "the real world"? There's also "the systems do not form the kind…
> For my money, we will never consider any machine intelligent as long as we mass produce it. We won't consider machines intelligent until they have and demonstrate the capacity to consider us not-intelligent. It's an open question of how long we will consider anything after that point.
> We won't consider machines intelligent until they have and demonstrate the capacity to consider us not-intelligent.
I don't think it needs to go that far. Birds that can solve simple puzzles are obviously intelligent, so are cats who can open doors, etc. I think the human perception if intelligence is hugely based on the notion of, "is this thing self-aware?" or "is there someone in there?", "does it have a mind of its own?"
I would say we'll consider machines intelligent when they're able to have some amount of independence. Right now, they can't solve problems they're not specifically designed/engineered to solve. We don't have any kind of general-purpose artificial intelligence. You might try to argue that reinforcement learning is that, but no, RL doesn't really work outside of a sandbox with an artificial reward function, and it's very sensitive to hyper-parameters.
If you could have a chat bot that can pass the Turing Test with a high degree of success, I think most people would consider that intelligent. Same thing for a robot that can do your laundry, wash your dishes and make some mac and cheese without days of training and without fucking up more than a typical human child would.
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#106The rebuttal to this view is "provide a principled definition of intelligence". Doesn't seem like the article does this. A hint appears partway through: "computers will not be able to match humans in their ability to reason abstractly about real-world situations". Does human intelligence distinguish itself by its "abstractness" and by its application to "the real world"? There's also "the systems do not form the kind…
The rebuttal to this view is "provide a principled definition of intelligence". Doesn't seem like the article does this.
If someone could do that, it would be a significant stride towards producing an intelligent entity.
As far as "AI research" we're somewhat stuck in the position that humans "can't define intelligence but know it when they see it". But if we abandon this intuition based approach, it seems like we wind-up with the argument, "this toaster is intelligent 'cause you can't prove it's not".
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Ad for the "x-ray stove polish" lists "cannot explode" as a feature which makes me wonder about their competitions polish
https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SJMN19060225.2.77&e=-------en--2... Exploding Stove Polish was apparently a problem. Gotta wonder what chemical it was causing the problem.
> Stove Polish Explodes. [by the Associated Press ]
> LOS ANGELES, Feb. 24 Mrs. Sylvia Olds wife of George Olds, of Gardena was probably fatally burned by the explosion of a bottle of stove polish today.
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#108A little late for that now...
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#109Reminds me when X-rays first were discovered, everyone claimed their product contained them, including X-ray headache tablets, golf balls, stove polish, razor blades. https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.242035157 for some fun pictures. I won't be surprised when AI toothbrushes come out.
The Ad for the "x-ray stove polish" lists "cannot explode" as a feature which makes me wonder about their competitions polish
Usually the goal...
Our toothpaste contains 0% raw sewage!