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Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by an-allen » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:55 PM UTC

I think IEEE has had it right for several decades now - Computational Intelligence. I’ll never forget when my undergrad research adviser in Artificial Neural Networks and Self Organising Maps (circa 2003) corrected me - “we call it computational intelligence as artificial intelligence is science fiction”.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by flowerlad » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:55 PM UTC

What is considered "AI" changes over time. At any point in history, if a machine appears to do a task that only a human brain used to be able to do, then that's considered "AI".

So in the mid 1900s a calculator that is able to do arithmetic was considered "AI", and in the late 1900s chess playing machines were considered "AI". Today those things are not considered "AI".

What is considered "AI" today will not be considered "AI" a decade or two from now.

More: https://ai100.stanford.edu/2016-report/section-i-what-artifi...

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by stagger87 » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:55 PM UTC

jmfldn wrote: post #28

stagger87 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess when we understand how the brain works, we'll be able to answer this.

Fundamentally different I would say. I understand enough about the brain to say that talking about any kind of machine intelligence in relation to brains, is comparing apples and oranges. Its not computing things in any way analogous to how a computer works. Why would it be? Of course, computers might be able to imitate some things and far exceed some things that our brains do. That's different though.

I guess when we understand how the brain works, we can determine if your statements are true.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by 8note » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:56 PM UTC

DebtDeflation wrote: post #39

"Ok, we'll call it Quantum instead." /s

Most things are quantized anyways, so at least it's accurate

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by unanswered » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

TecoAndJix wrote: post #44

ipsum2 wrote: post #14

Reminds me when X-rays first were discovered, everyone claimed their product contained them, including X-ray headache tablets, golf balls, stove polish, razor blades. https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.242035157 for some fun pictures. I won't be surprised when AI toothbrushes come out.

The Ad for the "x-ray stove polish" lists "cannot explode" as a feature which makes me wonder about their competitions polish

Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/641

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by merhard » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

banana_giraffe wrote: post #19

ipsum2 wrote: post #14

Reminds me when X-rays first were discovered, everyone claimed their product contained them, including X-ray headache tablets, golf balls, stove polish, razor blades. https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.242035157 for some fun pictures. I won't be surprised when AI toothbrushes come out.

That's happened: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/10/25/20932250/...

But what if I want to put my toothbrush in the blockchain as well?

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by rvz » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:59 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #21

Maybe we should also stop calling everything “tech”. Seems like every company that uses computers is a tech company.

Can't wait for anyone who has a cryptocurrency wallet to call themselves a 'blockchain' company.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by Sebb767 » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

jmfldn wrote: post #15

"Computers have not become intelligent per se, but they have provided capabilities that augment human intelligence, he writes. Moreover, they have excelled at low-level pattern-recognition capabilities that could be performed in principle by humans but at great cost. " It's odd how under-appreciated this is. There is no "intelligence" here as we know it, not even a hint. There are algorithms operating on data for ver…

> There is no "intelligence" here as we know it, not even a hint. There are algorithms operating on data for very prescribed use cases.

I agree with your general point, but if you break it down, our brains a nothing "intelligent" either. It's just a network of neurons searching for patterns in the sensor input. Sure, it can reconfigure itself, but from a really abstract perspective it's nothing more than a ultra-scaled neural network as we currently use them. So this really boils down to the definition of intelligence, which is by no means easy.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by Corence » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

If a rule-based system can get as good of results as a deep neural net, why is the deep neural net "AI" but the rule-based system is "dumb and hard-coded"?

AI is not a precise term. If you can make a product that feels intelligent to the user, why does the implementation matter?