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Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

#31
While I mostly agree with Michael Jordan, I think that he overstates his argument a small bit. I feel comfortable applying the "AI" label to projects if they: 1) achieve human level of performance or better. 2) They use any or all of standard techniques like deep learning, NLP, knowledge representation, reinforcement learning, etc.

I am just about to hit my 40 year anniversary for getting paid to be doing "AI" related work, with a lenient definition of AI.

On the other hand, Artificial General Intelligence is a much stronger term, and is something that I don't expect to see in my lifetime.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

#32
Off topic: This website needs me to 'accept & close' cookies before i read the article.

I had people respond to me in a gdpr thread saying that they never accept cookies

example : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26360345

What do such ppl do here? just not read the article?

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

#33
AI isn't really a thing per se and it adds a kind of patina of false mystique to computation that is essentially no different than any other computation (which itself is also not really "a thing" out there in the world as a phenomenon). The only way AI really means anything is because the person in question has decided to frame something as AI. He is choosing to append to something meaning that it itself does not possess. Take a the linear regression type stuff lots of AI today uses. You put that in another context and it ceases to be AI. Why? Because it's not AI per se! If it were a real thing or real phenomenon, it would be mind-independent and the mental context wouldn't determine its identity.

Basically, it seems that whenever someone mechanizes something that previous only a thinking person could do, then its viewed as AI.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

#34
Whew boy, this guy reminds me of Frank Grimes: mad that he can't control the world. I don't really think it matters, "computers" originally meant the women computed ballistics tables for the military in the early 40's... language changes, one person can't change that.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

#35
The rebuttal to this view is "provide a principled definition of intelligence". Doesn't seem like the article does this.

A hint appears partway through: "computers will not be able to match humans in their ability to reason abstractly about real-world situations". Does human intelligence distinguish itself by its "abstractness" and by its application to "the real world"? There's also "the systems do not form the kinds of semantic representations and inferences that humans are capable of". Seems like a promising direction for some definition of intelligence.

For my money, we will never consider any machine intelligent as long as we mass produce it. The only way we'll accept machines as intelligent is if, as the singularity theorists say, the machines build themselves. Then we aren't really mass producing them, we're just kicking off a process that we don't totally understand, a bit like gestation.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

#36
AI these days can be seen as nothing more than a bunch of code used to offload human manual labor to machines, and nothing more. Strong AI[0] is the real sought after gem we all want, but also the one that could cause problems (since it could 'run away' from the inventors and end up controlling humanity in some form).

I imagine if we really wanted to build our final invention[1] then we would have to be under some existential pressure to do so. In other words: we would build a 'run away' AI if it could potentially save humanity. Also worth reading this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_of_artificial_intellige...

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_AI

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Final_Invention

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

#37

I really liked the definition of AI (back in 2015) by Seth Godin - a marketer! > One common insightful definition of AI: Artificial Intelligence is everything a computer can't do yet. As soon as it can, we call it obvious. If the term is used like that it does make sense to me. https://seths.blog/2015/04/the-noise-in-our-head-and-artific...

Products are shipped which claim to use "AI". This is self-contradictory with this definition, and no product can ever exist claiming AI with it. I'm fine with that, but then it seems that the term would be completely useless, when "science-fiction" already exist (and, even if it is not always, can be realistic)

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

#40
post #23

I tried convincing the business developers and marketing for years that what we did was machine learning, applied statistics or gulp “data-driven” functionality - but no, only thing that worked was “ AI Engine”... hurray for throwing my PhD at the wind...

Unfortunately marketing is everything. Engineers like to build nice shiny things without much of an eye on how to sell it. If you can slap "AI" on it and make some $, then why not? The end customer may not really care. Its not exactly like calling an apple "organic". Theres no certification process or consensus on what AI actually is or means.

We, the people doing the actual work, have a moral responsibility to resist our work being dishonestly marketed. And certainly a moral responsibility not to engage in it ourselves.
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