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China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

fat-chunk wrote: post #25
nuller wrote: post #24

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Just let the HK people decide. You know thats not going to happen because noone wants to be Chinese. Even the fucking Chinese dont want to be Chinese.

It's really sad to see that even hacker news has now been plagued by sinophobic racism

Both points are over generalizations. It's obviously a complex issue. I've been to Taiwan, I've been to Hong Kong, and from my conversations with all types of people the best I can understand as a foreigner is that the Government is not what being Chinese is about. It's about the culture at the end of the day. You could argue that some population of Chinese have kept a certain culture present from a particular time. There's a lot of what I was told (I can't really know) traditional culture in Taiwan. There was an interesting mix of old and new in Hong Kong. It's sad to see so much conflict as a result of weaponizing identity and heritage. The stuff of lore is what makes any story interesting, and we destroy it with inept government structures.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by gfaure »

fat-chunk wrote: post #25
nuller wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just let the HK people decide. You know thats not going to happen because noone wants to be Chinese. Even the fucking Chinese dont want to be Chinese.

It's really sad to see that even hacker news has now been plagued by sinophobic racism

Don't confuse anti-PRC sentiment with anti-Chinese sentiment. It is a classic strategy to conveniently conflate the two only when the CPC is being criticised.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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fat-chunk wrote: post #25
nuller wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just let the HK people decide. You know thats not going to happen because noone wants to be Chinese. Even the fucking Chinese dont want to be Chinese.

It's really sad to see that even hacker news has now been plagued by sinophobic racism

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Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by ekianjo »

roenxi wrote: post #33
ekianjo wrote: post #27

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> Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. Who cares about History? What matters is now and what people want now. If not, you could use that excuse "but X was always part of Y" to justify just about everything.

Well, that was probably what China was saying when they ditched the agreement they had with Britain. China has grown large and powerful. If history matters, Hong Kong is probably part of China. If history doesn't matter, Hong Kong is part of China. I think the real question here is what was possible for Hong Kong vs. what actually happened. Riots were maybe not the best strategy, in hindsight.

> I think the real question here is what was possible for Hong Kong vs. what actually happened. Riots were maybe not the best strategy, in hindsight.

Has any strategy ever worked with the CCP?

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by tidenly »

nuller wrote: post #24
fat-chunk wrote: post #20

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We can all disapprove of what the current CCP is doing, but you cannot compare Hong Kong's situation to Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang, in fact you're muddling a bunch of completely different situations. Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. I obviously disapprove of the suppression of the HK populace with force, but this i…

Just let the HK people decide. You know thats not going to happen because noone wants to be Chinese. Even the fucking Chinese dont want to be Chinese.

Maybe my experience is limited as I only live in a neighboring country, but the majority of Chinese I know here, and those I have met in China identify strongly as Chinese, even if they dont agree with everything the government does. This take seems borderline sinophobic.

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Post by choonway »

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #12
nathanyukai wrote: post #8

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what do you mean by invade? Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong are undoubtedly belongs to China. Sure the tightening is not good in a lot of ways, but I keep seeing the western media trying to convince the world that these regions should be 'independent', I wonder why they are doing that.

Tibet was independent before it was taken over by force

how about texas and mexico?

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

ekianjo wrote: post #28
sterlind wrote: post #18

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Taiwan will be a bigger deal geopolitically. PRC has no claim to Taiwan that's recognized by the broader international community (outside China's sphere of influence, anyway.) Under Westphalian rules Hong Kong is seen as an internal matter, but Taiwan would be a straight-up war. Plus it would absolutely wreck the semiconductor industry worldwide to lose TSMC.

> Taiwan would be a straight-up war That will be shortest war ever. If China does an embargo on Taiwan and encircles it, there's nothing that Taiwan could do in the long run. They will be forced to negotiate. And you can bet the US has no intention to intervene.

Propaganda published, I mean, information published said War Simulations indicated quick win for China - I can't find the exact metric but if I recall correctly it was within hours a decisive victory to a day.

This wasn't the one I read but there's plenty like it:

https://news.yahoo.com/were-going-to-lose-fast-us-air-force-...

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