China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law • Hacker News Board

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by tibbydudeza » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:08 AM UTC

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #12

nathanyukai wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what do you mean by invade? Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong are undoubtedly belongs to China. Sure the tightening is not good in a lot of ways, but I keep seeing the western media trying to convince the world that these regions should be 'independent', I wonder why they are doing that.

Tibet was independent before it was taken over by force

It was part of China during the Qing dynasty since 1750.

They declared independence in 1913 after the fall of the Qing but it was not recognized by the Chinese Republican govt.

The PRC re-annexed it in 1951.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by TakuYam » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:08 AM UTC

tibbydudeza wrote: post #15

ladyanita22 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be better off in the UK.

Only if you have millions , they are definitely not interested in poor HK folk that are living in cage homes.

Wasn’t the offer PM Johnson made to HKer’s without any wealth/asset caveats?

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by BossingAround » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:08 AM UTC

I wanted to write "sad day for Hong Kong", but I realized it's been more like a sad year and a half for HK, if not longer.

One wonders how long can CCP keep doing the same thing again and again. I guess we shall see.

My heart goes to those in HK.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by nuller » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:08 AM UTC

fat-chunk wrote: post #20

hntroll666 wrote: post #3

That's what the CCP always does: invade, stick their tentacles into every possible crevice, cut off any avenues by which it might lose power, and begin tightening and strangling, over the screaming protests of the local people. They did it in Tibet, they're doing it in Xinjiang, they're doing it in Hong Kong. They plan to do the same thing in Taiwan.

We can all disapprove of what the current CCP is doing, but you cannot compare Hong Kong's situation to Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang, in fact you're muddling a bunch of completely different situations. Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. I obviously disapprove of the suppression of the HK populace with force, but this i…

Just let the HK people decide.

You know thats not going to happen because noone wants to be Chinese. Even the fucking Chinese dont want to be Chinese.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by fat-chunk » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:12 AM UTC

nuller wrote: post #24

fat-chunk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can all disapprove of what the current CCP is doing, but you cannot compare Hong Kong's situation to Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang, in fact you're muddling a bunch of completely different situations. Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. I obviously disapprove of the suppression of the HK populace with force, but this i…

Just let the HK people decide. You know thats not going to happen because noone wants to be Chinese. Even the fucking Chinese dont want to be Chinese.

It's really sad to see that even hacker news has now been plagued by sinophobic racism

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by tibbydudeza » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:12 AM UTC

mokash wrote: post #14

Hong Kong is done.

It was done the moment the 99 year lease ran out and the UK handed it back , the Chinese would not tolerate a visible relic of the Opium wars being dictated to by foreigners i.e 2047 Basic Law guarantee.

They tore up the agreement when it became expedient (they declared "historical document of no significance") to do so.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by ekianjo » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:12 AM UTC

fat-chunk wrote: post #20

hntroll666 wrote: post #3

That's what the CCP always does: invade, stick their tentacles into every possible crevice, cut off any avenues by which it might lose power, and begin tightening and strangling, over the screaming protests of the local people. They did it in Tibet, they're doing it in Xinjiang, they're doing it in Hong Kong. They plan to do the same thing in Taiwan.

We can all disapprove of what the current CCP is doing, but you cannot compare Hong Kong's situation to Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang, in fact you're muddling a bunch of completely different situations. Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. I obviously disapprove of the suppression of the HK populace with force, but this i…

> Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2.

Who cares about History? What matters is now and what people want now. If not, you could use that excuse "but X was always part of Y" to justify just about everything.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by ekianjo » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:14 AM UTC

sterlind wrote: post #18

op03 wrote: post #7

Next up Taiwan.

Taiwan will be a bigger deal geopolitically. PRC has no claim to Taiwan that's recognized by the broader international community (outside China's sphere of influence, anyway.) Under Westphalian rules Hong Kong is seen as an internal matter, but Taiwan would be a straight-up war. Plus it would absolutely wreck the semiconductor industry worldwide to lose TSMC.

> Taiwan would be a straight-up war

That will be shortest war ever. If China does an embargo on Taiwan and encircles it, there's nothing that Taiwan could do in the long run. They will be forced to negotiate. And you can bet the US has no intention to intervene.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by Mauricebranagh » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:16 AM UTC

tibbydudeza wrote: post #21

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tibet was independent before it was taken over by force

It was part of China during the Qing dynasty since 1750. They declared independence in 1913 after the fall of the Qing but it was not recognized by the Chinese Republican govt. The PRC re-annexed it in 1951.

By that argument the UK could re annex parts of France and the USA.

And Italy could take back large chunks of the near east.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by tibbydudeza » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:16 AM UTC

hardlianotion wrote: post #19

tibbydudeza wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you have millions , they are definitely not interested in poor HK folk that are living in cage homes.

The criterion is to hold a BNO passport. You don't have to be a millionaire for that. Three million Hong Kongers are eligible.

There were 6.489 million people in Hong Kong when it reverted back to China , they should have given everybody that before they left.