China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law • Hacker News Board

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by murbard2 » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:16 AM UTC

fat-chunk wrote: post #20

hntroll666 wrote: post #3

That's what the CCP always does: invade, stick their tentacles into every possible crevice, cut off any avenues by which it might lose power, and begin tightening and strangling, over the screaming protests of the local people. They did it in Tibet, they're doing it in Xinjiang, they're doing it in Hong Kong. They plan to do the same thing in Taiwan.

We can all disapprove of what the current CCP is doing, but you cannot compare Hong Kong's situation to Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang, in fact you're muddling a bunch of completely different situations. Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. I obviously disapprove of the suppression of the HK populace with force, but this i…

> Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British

Making them miss the whole cultural revolution and great leap forward, how tragic.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by ekianjo » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:17 AM UTC

tibbydudeza wrote: post #21

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tibet was independent before it was taken over by force

It was part of China during the Qing dynasty since 1750. They declared independence in 1913 after the fall of the Qing but it was not recognized by the Chinese Republican govt. The PRC re-annexed it in 1951.

And Corsica was part of Italy (or italian states at least) for 5 centuries and only part of France relatively recently. According to your logic it should return to Italy?

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by roenxi » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:18 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #27

fat-chunk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can all disapprove of what the current CCP is doing, but you cannot compare Hong Kong's situation to Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang, in fact you're muddling a bunch of completely different situations. Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. I obviously disapprove of the suppression of the HK populace with force, but this i…

> Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2. Who cares about History? What matters is now and what people want now. If not, you could use that excuse "but X was always part of Y" to justify just about everything.

Well, that was probably what China was saying when they ditched the agreement they had with Britain.

China has grown large and powerful. If history matters, Hong Kong is probably part of China. If history doesn't matter, Hong Kong is part of China.

I think the real question here is what was possible for Hong Kong vs. what actually happened. Riots were maybe not the best strategy, in hindsight.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by Stevvo » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:19 AM UTC

hntroll666 wrote: post #10

nathanyukai wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what do you mean by invade? Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong are undoubtedly belongs to China. Sure the tightening is not good in a lot of ways, but I keep seeing the western media trying to convince the world that these regions should be 'independent', I wonder why they are doing that.

What do I mean by invade? Simply ask anyone in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, or Taiwan, if they want mainland Chinese there, or if they want to be governed by the CCP. I accept that territory is won or lost, and the Tibetans and Uyghurs lost their territory, but they were definitely invaded and conquered.

I have asked many people in those regions excluding Xinjiang, and the answers are never as black and white as the narratives you read online.

In Tibet, people were not too happy about the military presence on the streets, the cultural assimilation or the mao statue in the shadow of Potala palace, but on balance are were happy to be part of China due to the economic development. People felt they would be unemployed without han presence.

In Hong Kong, the most common thing I heard was vaguely racist grumblings about mainlanders. People were unhappy with mainlanders behaving in an "uncivil" manner. There was a majority acknowledgement of China's sovereignty over Hong Kong, and a strong "Chinese" identity.

In Taiwan, things did fit your narrative pretty closely. People want nothing to do with the CCP, and many even wanting nothing to do with the mainland at all.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by ekianjo » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:19 AM UTC

BossingAround wrote: post #23

I wanted to write "sad day for Hong Kong", but I realized it's been more like a sad year and a half for HK, if not longer. One wonders how long can CCP keep doing the same thing again and again. I guess we shall see. My heart goes to those in HK.

> I wanted to write "sad day for Hong Kong", but I realized it's been more like a sad year and a half for HK, if not longer.

Unfortunately the west stopped caring HK right as the COVID19 situation started, and barely got any press since then.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by nathanyukai » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:19 AM UTC

3np wrote: post #11

nathanyukai wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what do you mean by invade? Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong are undoubtedly belongs to China. Sure the tightening is not good in a lot of ways, but I keep seeing the western media trying to convince the world that these regions should be 'independent', I wonder why they are doing that.

The "undoubtedly belong to China" is the narrative from the CCP and not shared by many, especially peoples living in and native to those regions.

"especially peoples living in and native to those regions." lol, check American history please.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by gmueckl » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:19 AM UTC

sterlind wrote: post #18

op03 wrote: post #7

Next up Taiwan.

Taiwan will be a bigger deal geopolitically. PRC has no claim to Taiwan that's recognized by the broader international community (outside China's sphere of influence, anyway.) Under Westphalian rules Hong Kong is seen as an internal matter, but Taiwan would be a straight-up war. Plus it would absolutely wreck the semiconductor industry worldwide to lose TSMC.

You make it sound like China is free to attack as soon as it is reasonably independent of products manufactured by the TSMC. That's a scary thought because the rest of the world probably wouldn't be, putting China at an advantage over the rest of the world. The only way to stop that would be to make such a war effort itself too costly, which seems unrealistic.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by anu7df » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:20 AM UTC

fat-chunk wrote: post #25

nuller wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just let the HK people decide. You know thats not going to happen because noone wants to be Chinese. Even the fucking Chinese dont want to be Chinese.

It's really sad to see that even hacker news has now been plagued by sinophobic racism

I interpret the parent comment "Chinese don't want to be Chinese" as no one (including Chinese citizens) wants to be under the thumb of an authoritarian government. Not a racist comment.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by tibbydudeza » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:20 AM UTC

TakuYam wrote: post #22

tibbydudeza wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you have millions , they are definitely not interested in poor HK folk that are living in cage homes.

Wasn’t the offer PM Johnson made to HKer’s without any wealth/asset caveats?

It seems to be a moot point now - China simply refused to recognize a BNO passport as a legal document so you can't leave.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by snicksnak » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:20 AM UTC

xwolfi wrote: post #4

I m in HK and I don't know what to think. Between protestors destroying the streets like monkeys and the country punishing everyone using this as an excuse, we're well surrounded :D Hong Kong shouldn't be independent but is China the right country for us, is how I jokingly troll both extremes. End of the day nobody cares, we're still discussing who elect the mayor of the city and people are talking like we're losing…

> start discussing how we elect the president of our country

lmao