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John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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Says a lot about the HN community that a lot of people need to post under throwaways because there are legit others would otherwise go after them or their employers

Say whatever you want about reddit but at least it's more anonym than this site

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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Re: RMS, without passing judgement: - I think people can have great ideas but not be great long term leaders. FSF has high ideals, and fundamentally needs buy in from people on a lot of levels for them to succeed. It needs community. They could be really thankful to RMS’s getting things going but I don’t really understand why, now, they would add him back to the board. Is he saying new things that aren’t linear from…

Stallman is only one person on the board. It's quite a proven strategy to have people with vastly different skillsets on the board of an organisation.

In FSF's case, Stallman might be a good fit to contribute his software freedom ideas. As long as there are other people who can focus on PR.

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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I'm creating a throwaway that I hope won't irk dang. If this breaks the rules, I'm sorry and I'll stop. Richard Stallman single-handedly created the free software movement, and he's the reason we all have jobs. Google and Facebook might not have been possible in a world where you couldn't spin up a server for free and compile code without paying a license. Richard Stallman has said some sexist and edgy things. He als…

> Richard Stallman has said some sexist and edgy things.

done some sexist and edgy things. On stage, spoken directly at women.

Also, Stallman is a totally incompetent leader - the project is sufficiently niche that I won't name it, but the maintainer mentioned to me that he entered rms's bad book merely by virtue of having children.

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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It was briefly discussed in this episode of floss weekly https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/622?autostart=fa... and I think the guest made an interesting observation in that quite a big issue in FSF is that the board is entirely self-selected, the community is not really involved. Thus, the future of the GPL is entirely in the hand of a few people who picked themselves so to say.

>Thus, the future of the GPL is entirely in the hand of a few people who picked themselves so to say.

What does this even mean? As Linux staying on v2 shows, the FSF doesn't have any real control over GPL licenses. And I'm fairly sure the only limitation on modifying the GPL myself is I couldn't use the word "GNU."

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

See https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ and the counter-letter https://rms-support-letter.github.io/

One is signed by the directors of major open-source projects and initiatives. The other is mainly signed by Russian bots.

That doesn't seem like a fair characterization. Yeah, a lot of the names do look Slavic, but what makes you believe they're bots?

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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I'm creating a throwaway that I hope won't irk dang. If this breaks the rules, I'm sorry and I'll stop. Richard Stallman single-handedly created the free software movement, and he's the reason we all have jobs. Google and Facebook might not have been possible in a world where you couldn't spin up a server for free and compile code without paying a license. Richard Stallman has said some sexist and edgy things. He als…

We can't weigh the positive impact a person has had against the unrealised potential for positive impact from all those they forced out of the community. We just don't know if Stallman is a net-positive because we'll never get to see the alternative case.

Given this, we can't use an "end justify the means" argument, which means we have to hold people accountable in isolation from any positive impact they may have had.

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could see companies starting to screen applicants using these lists. Different companies would choose which list to use according to their own politics and culture. Totally hypothetical: Coinbase and Google will probably turn rms-open-letter into a denylist. Twitter will do the opposite. This is all conjecture, but I could see it happening. It's why I feel I shouldn't sign.

One list is full of people who have achieved big things, and are in positions of power. The other is full of throwaway and inactive github accounts.

which isn't particularly surprising if people are worried about getting cancelled.

(FWIW I haven't signed either, and don't know enough about RMS' actions to commit to a perspective).

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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I'm creating a throwaway that I hope won't irk dang. If this breaks the rules, I'm sorry and I'll stop. Richard Stallman single-handedly created the free software movement, and he's the reason we all have jobs. Google and Facebook might not have been possible in a world where you couldn't spin up a server for free and compile code without paying a license. Richard Stallman has said some sexist and edgy things. He als…

> I don't want to live in a world where we can't be forgiven. Forgiveness requires accountability and commitment to change, neither of which have been forthcoming.

Have you seen his blog? He's admitted failings and mistakes in the past.

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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I'm creating a throwaway that I hope won't irk dang. If this breaks the rules, I'm sorry and I'll stop. Richard Stallman single-handedly created the free software movement, and he's the reason we all have jobs. Google and Facebook might not have been possible in a world where you couldn't spin up a server for free and compile code without paying a license. Richard Stallman has said some sexist and edgy things. He als…

> I don't want to live in a world without American freedom of speech - where we can't be blunt and speak our minds.

You've always lived in this world and this is the America you grew up in. You were lied to.

The government has stayed very professional in this, and by that I mean complete absence, which is American freedom of speech.

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