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Re: Gnome 40

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Post by reader_mode »

go561192 wrote: post #104
reader_mode wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome is just one part of the story - the gnome shell was always decent looking and had good themes. But the apps and the ecosystem really is ugly, messy and inconsistent. For example if you look at the controls you got with GTK out of the box in GTK3 era (when I last tried to build something with it) I remember huge paddings, unintuitive UX (the GTK file picker is the worst I've used) and poor layout controls. Go ch…

Maybe you might break the 5 yrs gap with KDE Neon? :) https://neon.kde.org/

KDE was never my cup of tea - it more configurable than Gnome but I always liked the Gnome look (well 3.0 that is, 2.0 wasn't that attractive to me).

Nowdays I need to develop stuff that deploys to iOS so I'm kind of stuck on a mac.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by loudmax »

ceronman wrote: post #111

I would like to thank the Gnome community for this release! I can't wait to upgrade to Fedora 34 to use it. I use Mac OS daily on my work computer and Gnome daily on my personal computer. Yes, I know there are a lot of Linux open source applications that are not very polished, but the quality in Gnome and its core applications is extremely high. There are even some things that Gnome does better than Mac OS. Now, you…

GNOME is the default desktop for nearly every major Linux distribution. It's the desktop that nearly everyone experiences if they decide to give Linux a try. As such its shortcomings are much more apparent than for something like, say, Xfce that you have to go out of your way to experience.

My frustrations with GNOME are not about polish, they're about reliability. Users don't care about polish when they update their OS and suddenly wifi doesn't work. I sincerely hope GNOME is more reliable now than it was in the past.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by tmountain »

hctaw wrote: post #139
k_bx wrote: post #137

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“Stop being poor” kind of an argument

Not at all? This is FOSS. If this was a critical issue that blocked people from using the software, or aggravated a developer enough, then someone would go fix it or be paid to fix it. Developers don't have an obligation to implement every feature request. Clearly this is a nothingburger

> Clearly this is a nothingburger.

Hrm, I don't think so. It's probably more a matter of people that are accustomed to Gnome having accepted and/or habituated to the fact that it doesn't display thumbnails in the file manager. The same folks may have devised clever work arounds (opening the filesystem in a browser for example) or otherwise solved the problem in a way that it's not an impediment.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it ignores a huge cohort of potential adopters that would be stopped dead in their tracks at this issue. I think about scenarios where I might introduce an older family member to a Linux desktop for all the benefits it would bring (low cost, stable, secure, etc), and then how it would feel having to explain that they can't easily preview a photo when navigating the filesystem (like I was making excuses for a platform with a gaping hole).

In any system, it's heard to measure losses from things you don't have. A business might get that feedback from prospects that don't close, etc ("you don't have widget X, so we won't sign"), but it's harder to measure those feedback loops in the FOSS word. In short, I think not having this is a big deal, and folks that won't admit to that probably aren't considering a bunch of adoption that can't/won't happen until the issue is fixed.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by loloquhwonedeo »

"Switch workspaces faster than ever with the handy new Super + Alt + Scroll shortcut." that's going to suck for left-handed mouse users as "super" tends to not be accessible with the non-mouse hand on most compact keyboards.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by reader_mode »

ogre_codes wrote: post #81
reader_mode wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome is just one part of the story - the gnome shell was always decent looking and had good themes. But the apps and the ecosystem really is ugly, messy and inconsistent. For example if you look at the controls you got with GTK out of the box in GTK3 era (when I last tried to build something with it) I remember huge paddings, unintuitive UX (the GTK file picker is the worst I've used) and poor layout controls. Go ch…

Unfortunately, it feels like everything is turning into what Linux was 10 years ago. MacOS is better, but the increasing dominance of Electron and Java apps which bring their own UIs into whatever eco-system they encounter is very frustrating. If you are stuck running MS apps on the Mac, they are their own micro-cosm as well.

I don't think it's inconsistency that bothers me in this case - I don't really care if an app isn't using the same kind of widget design as long it's functional (I spend most of my days in apps that are entirely non-native and I'm fine with them).

The problem is more with GTK design which is crap for 80% of PC applications with dense control layouts, the high padding touch style widgets it offers out of the box work for low density stuff not complex editors).

Even non-native OSX apps integrate into OS in a predictable manner (use toolbar, shortcuts, native file dialogs, etc.)

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by lproven »

dgan wrote: post #100

am I being too conservative using stock XFCE?.. maybe missing something

IMHO, no. I give GNOME a re-assessment every time there's a new Ubuntu release, and it seldom takes more than an hour or so (if that) to find a reason why I'm glad my work boxes run Xfce and my home ones run Unity.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by O_H_E »

mikevm wrote: post #146

Gnome really needs a way to restore windows after restart (especially Nautilus windows with tabs), otherwise using multiple workspaces becomes annoying as soon as Ubuntu performs an upgrade that requires you to restart. Mac OS handles this pretty well.

Not dismissing you comment. Just FYI.

Well the nice thing is Ubuntu never forces you to restart (unless _you_ want to use a newer kernel). You can always press "later" until you are done with the work you are doing.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by onnnon »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #147
onnnon wrote: post #127

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Screen sharing does seem like a very good use-case for multiple desktops.

I just meant, I see a lot of coworkers switching desktops in general, which I see on screen shares because we’re all remote.

Ah, gotcha.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by offtop5 »

ht_th wrote: post #96
offtop5 wrote: post #26

I feel really stupid to ask , but can I install this on Windows.

Yes, sort of. Use WSL2 and a Xserver like https://sourceforge.net/projects/vcxsrv/ that runs on Windows.

Any way to get it to run Windows applications. Would it be possible to build something like that

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by gh-throw »

hallarempt wrote: post #109
stockerta wrote: post #56

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Probably they will deprecate it soon, and gnome apps will randomly open a file for you. Just to be easier to use. A file picker dialog can confuse the user.

Well, given that that's what macOS Big Sur has done, it's a dead cert. You no longer get a file picker dialog by default when saving, but a place where you can type a name and a label that says where saving will happen.

Where do you see that? I tried hitting cmd+s in Safari, Terminal, and Pages and got a normal macOS file-save dialog in all three cases. Looks more or less the same as it has for quite a while. I haven't touched anything related to file save settings (I probably should, as I'd like the arrow-down-to-browse-files to always be expanded, and I know there's a setting for that somewhere, just haven't bothered to yet).
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