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Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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I ordered one and then realized the GPU is from 2008, doesn't even support OpenGL ES 3!!! Trying to cancel the order, even if supporting the initiative would be nice, my 3D MMO needs OpenGL ES 3!

This one supports OpenGL ES 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 .

Yeah but it's $800!

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

#152
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If all you need is more power, Librem 5 should be the perfect choice. Don't you expect powerful hardware to cost more? There is no information when Pinephone 2 arrives and how much it will cost. > Cool if the PinePhone didn't exist, but against it it doesn't look that good, I would say. Yes, it does: https://social.librem.one/@ozmik/105939468751642844

I've read conflicting reports on how much more powerful it is in practice. I've seen only one direct review that said the Librem is clearly much faster, but I've also seen a few comparisons that show little to no difference in daily use tasks. The problem might be that we don't have a quality comparison yet (or I haven't found it), but I wonder if there is a performance bottle neck in the hardware. Maybe the software…

Librem 5 has much more powerful hardware regardless of software optimizations: https://forums.puri.sm/t/comparing-specs-of-upcoming-linux-p....

It just depends on what your "daily use tasks" are.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

#153
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How so? Safety Net is about things like locking the bootloader on one's phone, and preventing the user from having root access. Desktop computers don't have the same restrictions, and most of the people on this thread supporting the PinePhone would chafe at the notion that their desktop computers need to be locked down.

It’s not about requiring that exact solution. It’s about providing security. There are other ways. If banks require a controlled endpoint, they can supply a hardware key.

As mentioned elsewhere here, separate hardware keys are on the way out. Banks no longer wish to offer them because the vast, vast majority of customers have a phone that, if it passes Safety Net, already is a hardware key.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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-_- I just wanna point out the homeless rate in China is higher than the United States, and you still have to pay rent in China too. So it's not really a capitalism problem its a being alive problem.

@rorykoehler It's the most well known non capitalist society.

China is a capitalist state in all but name.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

#155
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> plus an experience that is more attuned to the needs of users than iOS or Android can accomplish that. Why would this project be more effective at doing this than iOS or Android? I don’t see why people other than ideological technologists would want to use this phone. To be clear, I think it’d be great if they did, but I think you’re massively understating the difficulty of challenging iOS and Android. Many compani…

> I don’t see why people other than ideological technologists would want to use this phone. AFAIK every single change in tech starts from such people.

Sure, they start there but they eventually expand beyond that initial core group to the wider population. I’m saying that in this case, I don’t think it will expand beyond that initial group.

Why would non-idealists use this phone when the alternative they already have in their pocket and know how to use can do everything the PinePhone can do?

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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This is still 4 times more expensive than the biggest Pinephone, which of course is a lot more limited in computing power, memory, storage and other areas, but sometimes people just want the bare minimum to enter the world of open phones. I wonder what's the reason behind Purism ignoring the low end market completely.

Purism is paying a team of full-time developers to build software for their devices. Pine64 sells their devices at rock bottom prices and lets the community develop software. I personally would buy the Librem5 if they solved the battery life issues.

Whats the average battery life with moderate useage?

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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I'd much prefer a list of phones where people have been able to crack the bootloader open completely and then I can just install Linux on top of it.

Not a big fan of extremely old hardware which would never be able to keep up with what I can get out of a Raspberry Pi.

In fact, how feasible is it to create a hat for the Raspberry Pi compute module which operates effectively as a mobile phone. Like you would an obviously need a screen as well as some buttons, I've seen several game boy looking cases but nothing shaped like a phone

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

#158
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my lifestyle is middle class in the midwest. Why do you think a $1.99-$5.99 is a luxury?

There’s more to the world than USA, for a start. And more than just middle class.

The world absolutely doesn't begin and end with middle class in the USA. But you're just wrong to say "DoorDash mostly solved problems for a small part of reasonably wealthy people, mostly without families, living in big cities". There were times it or a competitor were a godsend for my not-quite-middle-class sister, with five children to feed, who lives in a small city a half hour from Cincinnati.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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I personally think that the effort to create open source phones is the single most important technology project going on out there. We have open source browsers, we have open source social apps, but we definitely do not have open source phones. Phones that can be truly owned and controlled by users will reshape the privacy discourse, from one of complaining and legal coercion, to one of choices and markets.

Last month they even managed to fully open parts of the modem, and do calls without the closed blob for the firmware! https://twitter.com/biktorgj/status/1357217053745250304 (edit: caveat: they might not be able to actually ship the firmware since laws on this are very strict basically everywhere) The app store(s) is a bit of a problem, but in time it might be solved. Not a big problem for me.... But I'd also like to…

> they might not be able to actually ship the firmware

Have someone secretly put it on the Ethereum blockchain? There will be literally no way to delete it after that.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

#160
post #7

> Device Warranty: 30 Days EU Law states two years regardless of manufacturer wishes. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/gua... => The two-year period starts from the day you received the product: And given it is shipped from Poland, it falls under it.

From https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/dealing-with-customers...:

"When can your customer claim redress?

Be aware that you are legally bound by any public statements you make about your products, especially through advertisements or on labels.

If you are a retailer, your customers can ask for redress under the legal guarantee provided by EU law - if an item:

    - doesn't match the product description
    - has different qualities from the model advertised or shown to the client
    - is not fit for purpose - either its standard purpose or a specific purpose ordered by the customer which you accepted
    - doesn't show the quality and performance normal in products of the same type
    - wasn't installed correctly - either by you, or by the customer, due to shortcomings in the instructions
IF YOU INFORM your customer that the product you are going to sell has quality problems, they cannot then claim redress from you about this particular defect."You are right and you are wrong. They must provide a 2 year warranty on the functionality of a "Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone" with the following disclaimer "Beta Limited Edition PinePhones are aimed solely at early adopters. More specifically, only intend for these units to find their way into the hands of users with extensive Linux experience". A beta is not expected to function correctly. Hence, there is no justification for return under eu law. People writing these laws aren't idiots.

Additionally, that warranty state works well in other jurisdictions and is fine.

ahhhhhhh, I feel like I got baited.

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