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That’s a byproduct of capitalism with insufficient safety nets.

-_- I just wanna point out the homeless rate in China is higher than the United States, and you still have to pay rent in China too. So it's not really a capitalism problem its a being alive problem.

What does China have to do with this?

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One could argue that it is exactly this financial incentive that causes all the mislabeled useless apps on the app stores.

>financial incentive ? ... financial incentives is the motivation for most labor.

Financial incentives redirect labour from useful to profitable activities.

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That’s a byproduct of capitalism with insufficient safety nets.

-_- I just wanna point out the homeless rate in China is higher than the United States, and you still have to pay rent in China too. So it's not really a capitalism problem its a being alive problem.

@rorykoehler It's the most well known non capitalist society.

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This is about the Librem 5 (not from Pine64), which is multiple times the price. Cool if the PinePhone didn't exist, but against it it doesn't look that good, I would say. A Pinephone 2 / Pro wouldn't be that much more expensive. That said: They are funding a lot of phone software development, especially libhandy seems to come ... in handy pretty often.

If all you need is more power, Librem 5 should be the perfect choice. Don't you expect powerful hardware to cost more? There is no information when Pinephone 2 arrives and how much it will cost. > Cool if the PinePhone didn't exist, but against it it doesn't look that good, I would say. Yes, it does: https://social.librem.one/@ozmik/105939468751642844

I've read conflicting reports on how much more powerful it is in practice. I've seen only one direct review that said the Librem is clearly much faster, but I've also seen a few comparisons that show little to no difference in daily use tasks.

The problem might be that we don't have a quality comparison yet (or I haven't found it), but I wonder if there is a performance bottle neck in the hardware. Maybe the software is still better optimized for the pine and the Librem will start to pull ahead as more developers get a chance to work on it.

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>financial incentive ? ... financial incentives is the motivation for most labor.

Financial incentives redirect labour from useful to profitable activities.

You mean labor is directed towards actions that produce more value than simply the labor put into them. Odd, its like you think that's a bad thing.

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> Device Warranty: 30 Days EU Law states two years regardless of manufacturer wishes. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/gua... => The two-year period starts from the day you received the product: And given it is shipped from Poland, it falls under it.

I see this comment every time something about the PinePhone is announced, but considering that this is more of a tinkering project and not so much an actual product I just don't see how relevant this is. You are not buying a Pixel 4, you are buying something that still needs a lot of work.

Its a phone you can purchase from their website that they will send to you. The purchasing process is exactly the same as buying a galaxy s21. If companies could just say "this is an unfinished product" to get around mandatory warranties, everyone would do it. PinePhone should not be exempt because they are selling what they call a beta product.

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Importance is subjective. Personally, I think the PinePhone project is much more important than an expensive restaurant delivery service.

But you're wrong tho. most lower income people in the states don't have cars and eat fast food a lot because well food deserts. Then the pandemic happens, well fast food stayed open. Opps one huge problem, only the drive-thrus are open. I can take hours to ride the bus to a grocery store and lug 50+ pounds of groceries, or I can just spend $1.99 to have food delivered. EDIT: subjective yea, but come on dude people be…

I'm not sure what demographic you're talking about that can afford a $2-5 premium on every meal but cannot otherwise access or afford means to safely access a grocery store or restaurant. It would be much more economical for me to take advantage of one of my local grocery stores' free scheduled pickup options and just pay for an Uber driver to take me there and back.

I'm also not sure how Doordash is supposed to help at all for people who were already eating significant amounts of fast food.

Either way, all you're really doing with Doordash is passing the risk of transmission off to someone else. Ideally the delivery person has a better immune system than you (and refrains from making contacting those with weaker immune systems), but that whittles down the demographic of those who seriously benefit from Doordash even further.

Also, the PinePhone project is poised to bring serious repairability, privacy, and security options to a device category many now consider to be essential. It's not so trivial as preventing Google from accessing up your search results.

Regardless, we're comparing potential mortality to potential rights violations. If anyone can figure out how to objectively compare the value of human lives to human rights, give me a call.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Financial incentives redirect labour from useful to profitable activities.

You mean labor is directed towards actions that produce more value than simply the labor put into them. Odd, its like you think that's a bad thing.

That is literally the opposite of what I wrote.
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