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Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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One could argue that it is exactly this financial incentive that causes all the mislabeled useless apps on the app stores.

That’s a byproduct of capitalism with insufficient safety nets.

-_- I just wanna point out the homeless rate in China is higher than the United States, and you still have to pay rent in China too. So it's not really a capitalism problem its a being alive problem.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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The phone marketplace rewards performance, and there are only two ways to compete: either tightly integrate the OS and processing hardware (like Apple does) or throw processing hardware specs at an unintegrated OS (like Samsung, Google, et.al. does with Android).

At this point, given the existing application ecosystem, the best (only) option for a new phone maker is to tightly integrate inexpensive processing hardware with Android, and enter the market with a surprisingly performant phone at a low price point.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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> I already use Linux with my bank and when I'm interacting with my government. I also use Linux with my bank. All banks I know of in my country require you to install an invasive "security software" (warsaw), even when you're using the web browser; some also require the phone app to be used as a second factor (for instance, one bank generates a dynamically changing QR code after you enter your password; you have to…

That's terrifying, and I deeply sympathize, but it seems like a government problem more than an app ecosystem or market problem? It's not just that Linux isn't going to break the app store duopoly in your case, nobody is going to, because your government is effectively reinforcing that behavior. Forcing people to install root certificates on their devices is a problem on a whole 'nother level over just commercial inc…

I think you mixed two different things; what requires the authentication software is the banks, not the government.

The government isn't forcing anyone to install the ICP-Brasil root certificates; if you don't, the government websites will just show as untrusted in the browser (since they're signed by one of the CAs which chain to the ICP-Brasil root), but other than that they should work the same. Things might be different if you are authenticating your identity to the government with a certificate stored on a smartcard or USB key, since these certificates are also signed by a CA which chains to the ICP-Brasil root; I don't know if adding the ICP-Brasil root to the browser is necessary to make that work.

As for the banks, AFAIK the government doesn't mandate how they approach their online banking security; their use of that invasive "security software" is probably mostly path dependence at this point. It was very common to see computers infected with malware designed to steal online banking credentials from the browser, and that "security software" was supposed to block that kind of malware (for instance, by blocking the browser accessibility APIs whenever the user goes to an online banking site). Things are already better than in the past (that "security software" used to be Windows-only, for instance, so Linux users couldn't use online banking).

And yeah, all the bank apps I have on my phone require contact/location/camera permissions (the camera permission is unavoidable since they have to be able to read the QR code for PIX payments, and boleto bancário barcodes), and for at least one of these apps, I strongly suspect it's using the location permission for security purposes (the location indicator always lights up whenever I log into that app). It wouldn't surprise me at all if it also rejected rooted devices.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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post #80

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There is nothing wrong with App Stores. See: F-Droid and GNU/Linux repositories. The problem is in multinational monopolies.

People use iOS/iPhones BECAUSE of how tightly controlled the App Store is. It's like Atari vs Nintendo. If I wanted pure "freedom" I would have gotten an android, since they have at least fixed their performance issues now.

No, people buy iPhones because they’re perceived as cool phones. And they are; the hardware is amazing, the software is ok, the freedoms... don’t concern a lot of users.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Does it allow to call phones and send SMS? This seems like a silly question, but I know that some version of Librem didn't and nobody mentioned it in their reviews.

Librem 5 didn't have working call audio for something around two weeks since the shipment of the first early batch almost 1.5 years ago. It was enabled with a software update.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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post #29

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Does the EU law make exemptions for unfinished products? They're still providing you a product.

These laws were made to protect regular consumers when they buy a washing machine to ensure that the manufacturer could not screw them over. This is Pine64, which is about as close to community driven hardware development as you can get. They give you the open-source design and source code. If you think you might need a two year guarantee just don't buy their product, it's probably not a good fit for you anyway.

This isn't about needing it though, as far as I can tell it's legally required, so I don't know how (if at all) they're getting around that.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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post #45

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The point was: if it doesn't change the duopoly then who will write apps for the open platform? Not banks. Not governments. They will keep on developing only for Android and iOS. And people with a pinephone will have a great phone with a great OS, but with a shitty selection of apps.

It's not even the lack of apps directly but the effect of not having one of the two supported OSes. For example, the Dutch government is slowly pushing everyone to either use their authentication app (for DigiD, the national digital government authentication service), or just stop using digital government services all together and just digitally mandate friends or family to handle your digital affairs. This latter op…

> For example, the Dutch government is slowly pushing everyone to either use their authentication app (for DigiD, the national digital government authentication service),

Could not you use identity service from different EU country (based on eIDAS regulation)? Here in Czechia there is eIDAS-compatible identity provider that uses U2F tokens.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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post #32

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IMHO, it does not have to change the duopoly, as long as it creates sustainable options for those who want to escape that duopoly. In that way it‘s already a success.

The point was: if it doesn't change the duopoly then who will write apps for the open platform? Not banks. Not governments. They will keep on developing only for Android and iOS. And people with a pinephone will have a great phone with a great OS, but with a shitty selection of apps.

Actually, it has happened in the past. Windows Phone, a decent platform from the developer perspective failed to attract any significant interest. And that’s with all the resources of Microsoft and the recognition of Nokia.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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I wonder if/when they will release more powerfull version

I'm not quite sure what the destination is with this phone. This particular model seems to be for hobbiests who will use it as a second device for development, or purists who value privacy over all else. I would prefer to pay double or triple for a phone that has all the opensource and privacy goals but also competes in performance and build so it can be my daily driver. I realize that we also want open standards and…

Well, it works fine as a phone. With Mobian it is stable enough for me to be a daily driver.

When I need performance I usually turn to real computers or specialized gadgets.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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post #41

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There is something from LTT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCKMxzz9cjs

Like I wrote in my recent update [0], LTT did not even bother to get the specs right. There was another review [1] this week that did a much better job imho. [0] https://linmob.net/2021/03/21/linbits37-weekly-linux-phone-n... [1] https://media.kaitaia.life/videos/watch/f072045c-b713-48c6-9...

Indeed, those LTT/ShortCircuit reviews were very lazy and don't do justice neither to the PinePhone nor the Librem 5.
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