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Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Post by solarkraft »

belval wrote: post #18
pjmlp wrote: post #7

> Device Warranty: 30 Days EU Law states two years regardless of manufacturer wishes. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/gua... => The two-year period starts from the day you received the product: And given it is shipped from Poland, it falls under it.

I see this comment every time something about the PinePhone is announced, but considering that this is more of a tinkering project and not so much an actual product I just don't see how relevant this is. You are not buying a Pixel 4, you are buying something that still needs a lot of work.

I personally don't expect the 2 years, but tell that to the regulator. You may be able to declare it as a DIY kit, but I have doubts.

But I suppose this type of stuff is exactly what the higher priced stores are for. If you want it cheap but without support, buy directly from China.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Post by linmob »

Freak_NL wrote: post #27
wwarner wrote: post #20

I personally think that the effort to create open source phones is the single most important technology project going on out there. We have open source browsers, we have open source social apps, but we definitely do not have open source phones. Phones that can be truly owned and controlled by users will reshape the privacy discourse, from one of complaining and legal coercion, to one of choices and markets.

Except that it won't break the app-store duopoly. At what point will WhatsApp or even Signal consider providing a web-app, or even an open API for others to built clients against? Not doing this is a policy choice, not a technical one. Will banks offer something that doesn't require authentication via an app? Governments? App here meaning: Android or IOS. One solution might be to provide a sandbox for Android apps, b…

IMHO, it does not have to change the duopoly, as long as it creates sustainable options for those who want to escape that duopoly. In that way it‘s already a success.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Post by apetresc »

Interestingly, it seems they're charging more for the "convergence package" at 199.99 than its components separately (PinePhone 149.99 + Docking bar 24.99). Is this a simple oversight or is there something different about a "convergence" PinePhone versus a regular one, other than the presence of the dock?

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Post by swiley »

belval wrote: post #29
miralize wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the EU law make exemptions for unfinished products? They're still providing you a product.

These laws were made to protect regular consumers when they buy a washing machine to ensure that the manufacturer could not screw them over. This is Pine64, which is about as close to community driven hardware development as you can get. They give you the open-source design and source code. If you think you might need a two year guarantee just don't buy their product, it's probably not a good fit for you anyway.

Regular consumers are not supposed to buy it. They probably wouldn't be able to use it and certainly wouldn't get much out of it.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Post by linmob »

apetresc wrote: post #33

Interestingly, it seems they're charging more for the "convergence package" at 199.99 than its components separately (PinePhone 149.99 + Docking bar 24.99). Is this a simple oversight or is there something different about a "convergence" PinePhone versus a regular one, other than the presence of the dock?

Read carefully. USD 149 gets you 2GB RAM/16 GB eMMC, USD 199 3GB RAM/32 GB eMMC.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Post by solarkraft »

fsflover wrote: post #30
mciancia wrote: post #26

I wonder if/when they will release more powerfull version

Here you go: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 .

This is about the Librem 5 (not from Pine64), which is multiple times the price.

Cool if the PinePhone didn't exist, but against it it doesn't look that good, I would say.

A Pinephone 2 / Pro wouldn't be that much more expensive.

That said: They are funding a lot of phone software development, especially libhandy seems to come ... in handy pretty often.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Post by charlesap »

apetresc wrote: post #33

Interestingly, it seems they're charging more for the "convergence package" at 199.99 than its components separately (PinePhone 149.99 + Docking bar 24.99). Is this a simple oversight or is there something different about a "convergence" PinePhone versus a regular one, other than the presence of the dock?

Convergence package PinePhone has more RAM -- 3Gig vs. separate phone which only come with 2Gig

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Post by swiley »

apetresc wrote: post #33

Interestingly, it seems they're charging more for the "convergence package" at 199.99 than its components separately (PinePhone 149.99 + Docking bar 24.99). Is this a simple oversight or is there something different about a "convergence" PinePhone versus a regular one, other than the presence of the dock?

It has an extra gigabyte of ram and a larger emmc.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Post by 7357 »

linmob wrote: post #32
Freak_NL wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that it won't break the app-store duopoly. At what point will WhatsApp or even Signal consider providing a web-app, or even an open API for others to built clients against? Not doing this is a policy choice, not a technical one. Will banks offer something that doesn't require authentication via an app? Governments? App here meaning: Android or IOS. One solution might be to provide a sandbox for Android apps, b…

IMHO, it does not have to change the duopoly, as long as it creates sustainable options for those who want to escape that duopoly. In that way it‘s already a success.

It's more likely to happen with platforms such as this than without.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Post by fsflover »

solarkraft wrote: post #36
fsflover wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 .

This is about the Librem 5 (not from Pine64), which is multiple times the price. Cool if the PinePhone didn't exist, but against it it doesn't look that good, I would say. A Pinephone 2 / Pro wouldn't be that much more expensive. That said: They are funding a lot of phone software development, especially libhandy seems to come ... in handy pretty often.

If all you need is more power, Librem 5 should be the perfect choice. Don't you expect powerful hardware to cost more?

There is no information when Pinephone 2 arrives and how much it will cost.

> Cool if the PinePhone didn't exist, but against it it doesn't look that good, I would say.

Yes, it does: https://social.librem.one/@ozmik/105939468751642844

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