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Post by howinteresting »

implements wrote: post #241
DanBC wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people pushing hatred against trans people dress it up in nice language so useful idiots then go around saying things like "keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate". The gender critical movement is based on antisemitic conspiracy theories (eg Bilek) and unhinged hatred of trans people (eg Glinner).

You know, it really isn’t. I’m “Gender Critical”, because like many people born in the 1960s I see women as being a group of individuals primarily discriminated against by virtue of their sex - particularly in regards to contraception and the economic and social consequences of reproduction. Sex is biological and objectively real. Gender is a social construct relating to imposed standards of masculinity or femininity…

Of course sex is real which is why I've changed my sex characteristics through transitioning.

Trans people, more than any other group, are acutely aware of the reality of biological sex characteristics.

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Post by howinteresting »

slibhb wrote: post #231
howinteresting wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one is saying transition is a "regrettable outcome". Actually a lot of people say that, cf rhetoric about "a lifetime of hormones and surgery". As someone who has had surgeries and expects to be on hormones for the rest of their life, I think what I did to my body was good, not bad.

You are universalizing your lived experience. This invalidates the lived experiences of other people, who differ from you. Ironically, misapplication of moral universalizing is what leads people to be bigoted against trans people in the first place.

You are still incorrect about no one calling transition a regrettable outcome.

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Post by frogpelt »

dfraser992 wrote: post #114
BrianOnHN wrote: post #62

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Barbara who? Edit: seriously, I couldn't tell you what she's done. Sing? Movies? Both?

Oh dear... I assume you're being sincere, so no shade or anything like that. I just realized exactly how old I am relative to you and the other person who posted the same sentiment. ;) Both. She was a big big name of my parent's generation (think Rhianna version 2, Rhianna is version 3 or 4 or 5... if you go back to Maria Callas or Josephine Baker being version 1)

There's a whole bunch of people who think (for good reason) that George Foreman is famous for inventing and marketing a counter-top grill.

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Post by zozbot234 »

stonecraftwolf wrote: post #255
zozbot234 wrote: post #250

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> reflected bigotry — declaring something an “illness” is a great way to get people on board with eradicating it It's quite true that homosexuality used to be viewed like that. And yet, strange as it might seem, even that was a significant step forward from earlier perceptions of MSM which essentially were reminiscent of the Graeco-Roman model. Obviously these perceptions were also colored by bigotry, but we can see…

Again, you have no idea what you’re talking about. You keep referencing talking points from ahistorical views of two societies as though they represent the entire world. I suppose to you, they do? You might be better served by reading about the world at large. Off the top of my head, Japan provides an interesting case study in views of homosexuality (and bisexuality) pre- and post- western influence.

Seriously? The older term for homosexuality in Japan literally translates as "the way of nqbyrfprag oblf" (I ROT13'd the last two words as they're IMHO likely to trigger trauma, offense, or both trauma and offense.) Some "case study" indeed! (Needless to say, the modern, Western-informed outlook now common in Japan could not be more different - but that supports my earlier point.)

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Post by howinteresting »

axguscbklp wrote: post #224
howinteresting wrote: post #216

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That's not what affirmation-only means. It means supporting people as they come to terms with whatever the discrepancy between their phenotypical and subconscious sex characteristics.

Ah, got you. But then "affirmation-only" seems like a misleading name. Cause it's not really "affirmation-only", it's more like "be supportive and nice". Edit: maybe I'm just not being charitable enough to jargon. I guess I can see how "affirmation-only" might be understood to mean "affirmation-only of felt gender identity" in the context of certain communities.

Thank you.

I want to provide concrete examples of what an affirming approach is. Here is an approach that is not affirming:

https://mobile.twitter.com/caitlinmoriah/status/137415749883...

If a young boy wants to play with dolls, an affirming approach would let them. If they later decide they'd like to be perceived in the world as a girl and change their pronouns, you support them through that. If they later decide they want to keep playing with dolls, be perceived in the world as a boy and not change their pronouns, you support that as well. If they want to play with trucks and be perceived as a girl, you support them through that as well.

The point is that how you are perceived, how you look at yourself and what you do are all different but correlated. You just support them through their journey of growing up and discovering themselves.

Personally I've been uncomfortable at my endogenous sex characteristics from the moment puberty hit. That is why I've changed them (many years afterwards), and I couldn't be happier about that.

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Post by Lammy »

outworlder wrote: post #84
eplanit wrote: post #11

Not dystopian sounding at all: Please do not name this individual, at all. Doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not ask further questions about this, as doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not discuss this incident on Reddit publicly or privately (e.g. on private subreddits and/or in private messages, chat etc.), as doing so may result in your…

> or in private messages We do know that there's nothing 'private' about any social media platforms, but some people still believe that to be the case. Now they are blatantly publicizing that private chats are being read. Anyone remembers the outrage when gmail was analyzing emails to provide ads? What happened to that?

> Anyone remembers the outrage when gmail was analyzing emails to provide ads? What happened to that?

Google's PR seem to stay on top of that one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26484883

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Post by Macha »

generalizations wrote: post #238
mdoms wrote: post #112

This discussion, like the others, has mysteriously dropped off the front page of HN.

"Mysteriously" indeed. Who had the influence to make that happen, I wonder?

The person who several years ago and unrelated to this incident wrote the code that penalised threads with too high a comment:vote ratio?

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Post by jader201 »

phpnode wrote: post #22

HN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. Thi…

Oh wow, and now it’s flagged.

If there are Reddit employees on HN that, for example, would cause threads like this to get buried, that should be looked into.

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #258
Symbiote wrote: post #137

I think the unwelcome article is probably this one, since it is easily found with a Google search suggestion: "Aimee Challenor G[raham Linehan]". NB the final picture is Challenor dressed as an infant (dress + teddy bear). Most other images are cartoon drawings from fetish/furry sites. https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-bo... (I'm posting this link as it seems important to the discussion. I'll…

There's a lot going on in this article. The introduction alone provides everything you need to know about the tone used throughout the text. Instead of listing everything, I prefer to refer to this piece that provides helpful references on how to cover stories about transgender people while remaining neutral on the subject: https://www.glaad.org/reference/covering-trans-community . You will quickly notice that the te…

Safe assumption that this is intentional on Graham’s part. https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/jun/27/twitter-clos...

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

vdddv wrote: post #29

"Please do not name this individual" But we won't tell you who the individual that shall not be name is.

If you click the articles linked within the post, you’ll see that there’s a bit of malicious compliance going on on the admin’s part with regards to not naming the individual.
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