Tusky has been removed from the Play Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by orestarod » Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 AM UTC

swayvil wrote: post #192

devdas wrote: post #167

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If you perceive tolerance as a peace treaty rather than a moral precept, then the paradox of tolerance disappears. https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1... You don't have to tolerate the intolerant, and the people running the app stores are free to make their choices of who they allow into the store. If you want to be associated with fascists and racists, that is up to you, but you will not be…

You do realize that the hallmark of fascism is to reject any who do not subscribe to the preferred ideology, right? I mean grasp the irony.

Do you reject the people who think it is ok to beat others up if they talk back to them?

That hallmark does not stand up to many examples. Being strictly against another ideology is not really the definition of fascism.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by almaember » Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 10:16 PM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #223

prvc wrote: post #161

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Interesting point. Would like to hear what someone like RMS would say about this case.

He doesn't care what restrictions are in a program's source code, as long as you're both legally allowed and technically able to create and use a modified version of the program without them.

But I think he did say that such restrictions are bad and people should remove it

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by almaember » Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 10:19 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #226

syshum wrote: post #215

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Right on the home page of mastodon "Follow friends and discover new ones among more than 4.4M people. Publish anything you want:" Clearly that is a false statement if they are imposing their view of what "correct" speech is. They both also license their code under GPL, even though they violate Freedom 0 of the core freedom model the GPL is designed to protect The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpos…

Why did you omit the second half of that sentence? They’re clearly referring to the format, not the content: > Publish anything you want: links, pictures, text, video. You’re misinterpreting the meaning of freedom 0. Tusky and Mastodon comply with both the letter and the spirit: > The freedom to run the program as you wish means that you are not forbidden or stopped from making it run. This has nothing to do with wha…

You don't seem to see the difference between the letter and the spirit.

Sure, Tusky complies with the letter of the definition; that doesn't make it moral

This is what Stallman said:

> If a free program has a malicious feature, other developers in the community will take it out, and you can use the corrected version. You can also run free application programs and tools on nonfree operating systems; this falls short of fully giving you freedom, but many users do it.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by jakelazaroff » Tue, Mar 23, 2021, 1:36 AM UTC

almaember wrote: post #253

jakelazaroff wrote: post #226

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Why did you omit the second half of that sentence? They’re clearly referring to the format, not the content: > Publish anything you want: links, pictures, text, video. You’re misinterpreting the meaning of freedom 0. Tusky and Mastodon comply with both the letter and the spirit: > The freedom to run the program as you wish means that you are not forbidden or stopped from making it run. This has nothing to do with wha…

You don't seem to see the difference between the letter and the spirit. Sure, Tusky complies with the letter of the definition; that doesn't make it moral This is what Stallman said: > If a free program has a malicious feature, other developers in the community will take it out, and you can use the corrected version. You can also run free application programs and tools on nonfree operating systems; this falls short o…

Tusky complies with the spirit of the definition. More accurately, its list of blocked servers is entirely unrelated to whether or not it's free software. Again, the FSF explicitly says of freedom 0:

> This has nothing to do with what functionality the program has, whether it is technically capable of functioning in any given environment, or whether it is useful for any particular computing activity.

What part of your quote does Tusky violate? It's GPL3. Even if you consider that block list a malicious feature (I don't), you are allowed to take it out and distribute a "corrected" version.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by messo » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 9:13 AM UTC

scotty79 wrote: post #245

messo wrote: post #200

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We are generally so habituated to services that plunder our contact lists and auto-populate our social graph that we end up all dazed and confused when checking out privacy-respecting social networks. Like … where are my friends at? In the fediverse, you can choose your community, you have choices. Most servers (instances) gather around a topic, common interest or subculture and have their own rules and etiquette. An…

Thank you for the links. I follow all of them now. But I think I know what my problem is and it's not what you think. Mastodon seems to be user centered, but I don't want to follow specific users. I want to be fed with interesting content. So I'd prefer content centered fediverse. The fediverse I'm looking for should be able to infer my interests and feed me content that is interesting to me as quickly as possible wh…

If I'm not mistaken, you can also follow hashtags, but I haven't done this myself as i prefer a high signal to noise ratio.

Another fediverse project that might fit your needs better is Lemmy, which behaves more like Reddit/HN.