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Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by skohan »

zepto wrote: post #185
skohan wrote: post #164

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The government has legal limits with which it cannot infringe on speech. That's not to say it always works perfectly, but at least if the government prevents my speech, I have recourse to challenge it in the court system on constitutional grounds. If Google or Apple does it, I have zero recourse, and the limits of the speech on their platforms are decided entirely unilaterally.

Google or Apple have no power whatsoever to prevent your speech.

They have all the power in the world to control who has access in to my speech. Right now where I live it's illegal to congregate in person. Whoever controls my online communication effectively controls my speech right now.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by swayvil »

devdas wrote: post #167
FeepingCreature wrote: post #64

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The problem isn't with the not tolerating, it's with the pushing for others not to tolerate. Freedom requires choice. Our problem is that we've built almost our entire ecosystem on systems where a single actor's intolerance can deny millions of people access to a product. This seemed like a good idea at the time. Apparently what it comes down to is the entire economy needs to be duplicated? Banks, payment providers,…

If you perceive tolerance as a peace treaty rather than a moral precept, then the paradox of tolerance disappears. https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1... You don't have to tolerate the intolerant, and the people running the app stores are free to make their choices of who they allow into the store. If you want to be associated with fascists and racists, that is up to you, but you will not be…

You do realize that the hallmark of fascism is to reject any who do not subscribe to the preferred ideology, right?

I mean grasp the irony.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by zepto »

skohan wrote: post #191
zepto wrote: post #185

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Google or Apple have no power whatsoever to prevent your speech.

They have all the power in the world to control who has access in to my speech. Right now where I live it's illegal to congregate in person. Whoever controls my online communication effectively controls my speech right now.

I wasn’t aware they were blacklisting websites.

Do you live in China or some other jurisdiction where the web is filtered?

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by soundnote »

notsuoh wrote: post #166
soundnote wrote: post #141

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For the same reasons Khamenei can tweet that an entire country is a malign tumor and needs to be removed and eradicated and Twitter is still in the stores. For the same reasons silly places like Parler get nuked on Jan 6th pretenses when most of the planning happened on Facebook but Facebook's still there. Power's power, and Lenin's question of who/whom is always relevant.

Partially a percentage of badness fits into the equation too, though. It's not as reducible as you're implying. Facebook, as much as I dislike it, is mostly people sharing memes and life updates with some terrorist planning that is to some extent actively hunted and removed. Parlor is the opposite, except that the conspiracies are encouraged, and indeed the company was built on this philosophy. Surely this is a relev…

It depends in part on what you consider to be fact. Part of the problem of the modern day is that the two tribes have in parts wildly diverging views on reality (and by my estimate both believe in some very nonsensical things), and the mainstream outlets very much encourage leftist brands of nonsense.

The other issue is that if the mainstream thing bans certain things, any free speech alternative will be excessively populated by the witches the mainstream platform hunted. This is inevitable especially if the platform is convenient enough to be competitive.

Which is a little tragic since a bunch of the banned people don't get banned just for politically dissenting thought but just plain awful behavior even by other standards. Regardless, it's inevitable, so painting alt platforms as hives of scum and villainy and thus cutting them down being justified more or less ensures that alt platforms won't come to exist in a relevant way.

The fringe spaces will only get less silly if they're allowed to live and we can talk to people. Being able to talk with civilized people doesn't cure political disagreement or argument, but it lets you see the human on the other side of the nickname. I actively hunt interesting people across the political landscape to follow for that reason. Besides, I'm likely to learn something I otherwise wouldn't have from someone reasoned that I disagree with. People with shared politics only go so far. But people also need comfortable base camps from which to explore.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by skohan »

zepto wrote: post #190
skohan wrote: post #187

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I don't understand, are you arguing that mandating equitable access to railroads was bad for free enterprise and commerce?

How do I run my own train on the open train lines? Where are the open source train designs? Why are new railway projects mired in government bureaucracy?

I don't know if I understand what you are trying to say with this metaphor, but I am not sure how government regulation to make software explicitly more accessible would not be in the interest of the consumer and the entrepreneur.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by mannerheim »

rileymat2 wrote: post #82
syshum wrote: post #68

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They will never bann chrome, but I am sure they wills start banning lesser known browsers that are not Chrome, Edge, and Firefox...

In some sense the Apple rules requiring you use webkit internally is already a Chrome and firefox ban on ios.

Especially fun when you have to deal with Safari bugs.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by zepto »

skohan wrote: post #195
zepto wrote: post #190

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How do I run my own train on the open train lines? Where are the open source train designs? Why are new railway projects mired in government bureaucracy?

I don't know if I understand what you are trying to say with this metaphor, but I am not sure how government regulation to make software explicitly more accessible would not be in the interest of the consumer and the entrepreneur.

You don’t understand the metaphor of railway regulation?

Why did you introduce it?

Government regulation often doesn’t do what people say it’s going to do. Often it is written to benefit a particular lobby.

If you have specific ideas, those can be discussed in the context of government regulation of software.

If you’re going to say ‘it will turn out the way it did with railways’, then you also have to face that access to railway lines is only available to a small number of companies chosen by the government.

I think that is exactly what would happen if the government regulated software distribution.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by berkes »

hackeraccount wrote: post #86
amelius wrote: post #23

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> Google Play is owned by Google and is a private platform. They can remove, ban, suspend any app or app update they want when it breaks their policies. In this democracy, companies can only do what we, the people, allow them to do.

Don't know where you live but that's not the case in the U.S.

You, the people, vote for representatives who make the laws that Google has to adhere to. If you disagree with the current laws that allow Google to do what it does, then vote for other representatives.

At least that is how it works in my country, and from what I know, how it works in the US too.

Is that not "people allowing companies what they can do"?

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by swayvil »

brigandish wrote: post #155
nargek wrote: post #47

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Not tolerating xenophobia, racism and bigots in general is a big point for a lot of people. The paradox of tolerance is something that many people should consider.

> The paradox of tolerance is something that many people should consider. Or even read, it’s barely longer than a page and yet I see it mischaracterised on these threads repeatedly by people who have clearly not read it. For those with too short an attention span to even search for the text, let alone read it, and to save them from the mendacious cartoon that purports to boil it down, here’s what it says in two lines…

Deplatforming isn't speech tho. It's something quite different.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by messo »

scotty79 wrote: post #151

How do you discover content on Mastodon? I just intalled Tusky. Didn't have an account and te process of creating one was through some detour and I ended up creating one on qoto.org that I chose randomly. Now I have a feed with pretty random posts and another with even more random posts some in the language I don't know. How can I find anything worth reading there?

We are generally so habituated to services that plunder our contact lists and auto-populate our social graph that we end up all dazed and confused when checking out privacy-respecting social networks. Like … where are my friends at?

In the fediverse, you can choose your community, you have choices. Most servers (instances) gather around a topic, common interest or subculture and have their own rules and etiquette. An easy place to get started is https://joinmastodon.org/communities. If you discover people who "live" on other instances, you can still follow them.

It might take more time to build your social graph in the fediverse than on the centralized and commercial services, but the satisfaction of having a feed that you put together yourself, without being influenced by nagging recommendation algorithms is worth it – at least to me!

EDIT: To answer your question more directly, I'll add some of the people and projects that I find interesting and follow (and that you probably won't find on other social networks). YMMV:

- https://mastodon.social/@mntmn (researcher building an open source laptop, amongst other things)

- https://social.coop/@compost (a magazine about the digital commonts)

- https://mastodon.art/@BenjaminBrinckmann (talented painter / artist)

- https://indieweb.social/@bonfire (a project building a system for easier self-hosting of federated services)

- https://chaos.social/@delta (Instant Email Messaging App)

- https://fosstodon.org/@flockingbird (Federated version of LinkedIn in the making)

- https://floss.social/@forgefed (Vocabulary and protocol for federation of project and repository hosting)

- https://mastodon.social/@zrythm (young DAW software project)

- https://chaos.social/@ConnyDuck (Creator of Tusky, now banned from Google Play Store)

- https://linuxrocks.online/@dnkl (Developer making the great terminal emulator "foot")

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