Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

Post by SpicyLemonZest » Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 2:16 PM UTC

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There are already areas of the country where "this" isn't going on, where businesses are open at full capacity and the public is happy to patronize them. Even in the most socially distanced areas, there's lots of people going on vacations and eating in restaurants and having house parties with their friends and family. So when you talk about reopening in Easter 2022, it's hard to connect that with the state of things…

We will absolutely see another surge before the vaccine roll out is completed. So tens of thousands of more people will die because states reopened too quickly. Easter, 2022 is no more realistic than Easter, 2020. Expectations need to be set that are reasonable and err on the side of caution and pessimism.

Post by Mediterraneo10 » Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:43 PM UTC

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For a freight truck to cross Europe can take multiple days, especially as drivers are not allowed to drive more than 9 hours a day (all European trucks are outfitted with a tachograph) and in some countries they have to stop for all of Sunday. During those days on the road, drivers need to be able to stop and use a quality toilet and buy food, which generally means a petrol station. That is the existing infrastructur…

> That is the existing infrastructure – your vision of hermetically sealed, disease-free places to stop is simply unrealistic as considerable time and money would be needed to build these everywhere in Europe that a driver would need to stop. All countries with quarantine facilities I'm aware of are using existing buildings. They don't have to be hermetically sealed, just ensure that people don't come into contact wi…

Post by halfmatthalfcat » Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

postalrat wrote: post #260

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Your comment wasn't constructive and at worst, sounded like you were making light of mask wearing by suggesting we should just never leave our houses. Of course if everyone was confined to their houses, there would be less sickness but nobody is debating that. We're debating the normalization of mask wearing.

It sounds like your concern is masks, not saving lives. Because if you care more about saving lives you will realize people only need to stay home. Fewer fatal accidents, infections, and other disturbances if people just never ventured outside their homes.

Post by bzzt » Tue, Mar 23, 2021, 8:12 AM UTC

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Well, in Germany three politicians who had to resign because of corruption where they had made deals with companies manufacturing masks and made hundreds of thousands of euros. And this is just facts and no conspiracy theories, and I bet this goes on at every level. If you find a way to (legitimately) control people and peoples behaviours, of course it's lucrative.

You can't just say it's "lucrative." You have to say how. Are you saying that a controlling number of powerful politicians or their backers are heavily invested in mask manufacture, but not in any of the parts of the economy that are affected negatively by the lockdowns? And "hundreds of thousands of Euros?" That's a pittance. There has to be more to be made (than maybe enough to buy a studio apartment in Berlin) in…