I don't think I've ever seen an HN thread with so many anecdotes, assumptions and off-the-cuff theories and so little data or useful links.
Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
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Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wearing masks have benefits beyond covid. Think about how many lives per year we could save from the flu let alone other airborne respiratory viruses if mask wearing was normalized.
Wearing foam rubber padding all the time has benefits, but that doesn't mean everyone should do it. There are other considerations beyond mere safety.
Wearing a mask is a lot more convenient than foam rubber padding.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
And if I looked like an eagle I could flap my wings and fly. We didn't even shutdown widespread commercial traffic between the US and Canada (although otherwise travel was largely shut down).
> And if I looked like an eagle I could flap my wings and fly. ??? > We didn't even shutdown widespread commercial traffic between the US and Canada (although otherwise travel was largely shut down). Why bother? It’s not like any significant number of transmissions are coming via commercial transit with Canada. I don’t pretend to be an epidemiologist but it seems pretty intuitive that a small island nation and one of…
I think I misread the tone of your reply. Yes, the situations are nothing like the same and the idea that the US could have been just like NZ if only is silly.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#164We've been vaccinating people since December. There ought to be statistical evidence now of whether and how much vaccinated people still get sick from Covid and its variants. Why do we still hear that epidemiologists have no idea about this? For example, everyone being tested for covid or being admitted to the hospital for covid, should be asked if they've been vaccinated, when, and which vaccination. 70 million peop…
We do have real world results, and they’re mostly very good. For example, analysis of the real world effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine in Israel:
> The latest analysis from the MoH proves that two weeks after the second vaccine dose protection is even stronger – vaccine effectiveness was at least 97% in preventing symptomatic disease, severe/critical disease and death.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...
The AstraZeneca vaccine looks not so good, especially against the South African variant, but the early real world results for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines look outstanding, and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine looks solid.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a nice quote, but still doesn't answer the question. No government in their right mind wants to continue lockdowns unnecessarily. Lockdowns cost a lot of money and make a lot of voters angry
Well, in Germany three politicians who had to resign because of corruption where they had made deals with companies manufacturing masks and made hundreds of thousands of euros. And this is just facts and no conspiracy theories, and I bet this goes on at every level. If you find a way to (legitimately) control people and peoples behaviours, of course it's lucrative.
You can't just say it's "lucrative." You have to say how. Are you saying that a controlling number of powerful politicians or their backers are heavily invested in mask manufacture, but not in any of the parts of the economy that are affected negatively by the lockdowns?
And "hundreds of thousands of Euros?" That's a pittance. There has to be more to be made (than maybe enough to buy a studio apartment in Berlin) in order to justify the shutdown of a large part of world industry.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's wrt mild to moderate cases. It might still be effective against severe cases.
nevertheless, you have to actually support that hypothesis with research. Just the fact that it's ineffective against mild to moderate doesn't mean it will be effective against more severe cases. it might also be ineffective against severe cases, making it just entirely ineffective against those strains. a year later and people are still trying to twist studies into support of their favored medical treatments without…
> a year later and people are still trying to twist studies into support of their favored medical treatments without actual supporting research...
This isn't something he has made up on the spot. It's been repeated countless times in the British media and presumably has some scientific basis. Either that or the whole field is keeping quiet on the basis that the UK has a large supply of the AZ vaccine and it's better to stop deaths from the current dominant strain than to wait for a better vaccine. Since the second option requires the cooperation of vast number of people I tend to believe the former.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
'Earlier studies focused largely on long-term effects in hospitalized COVID patients, McCulloch noted. "Our study is unique in characterizing a group consisting of mostly outpatients: 90% of our cohort experienced only a mild COVID-19 illness, yet one-third continue to have lingering effects," she said. '"Many of these individuals are young and have no pre-existing medical conditions, indicating that even relatively…
So your best evidence of this phenomenon is an uncontrolled survey of people who knew they had covid, asking them if they feel bad? And the most commonly reported symptom is hypertension , at 13%? I’ll let the researchers do the talking here: ”Study limitations include small sample size, single study location, and potential bias from self-reported symptoms, the researchers acknowledged.” This is certainly not a rebut…
There are hundreds of thousands of people to point to. You're just trying to ignore them.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-...
How many more cites do you want? There are plenty out there.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#168The plural ‘variants’ in the title is a bit misleading. Only one of the four viruses they tested is one we are actually concerned about at this time. The first is the original virus, which was displaced by the second early in the pandemic and against which vaccines are already known to be effective. The third one is the UK variant, which is of interest and the fourth is an artificial virus with a single mutation of i…
Nothing is misleading in the title.
The title implies that "[All] vaccines are effective against [all] variants", but that's a lie. And when people realize this, they'll lose trust in vaccines in general.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#169I am very clueless on the vaccine topic (not a denier of covid or anti vaxxer).
All I know is from listening to some interviews with a scientist in the field.
But i still do not know what is the definition of "effective vaccine". What does it do? If you have covid and take the vaccine, will the covid go away? Are you still contagious after having the vaccine or can you still get the covid but without the bad effects? What kind of immunity is given by the vaccine and how long does it last?
All I remember is that scientist said that herd immunity will likely never happen, or not in a long time(years, according to him).
There are too little comprehensive sources on the matter and too much superficial noise.
Thanks for any input.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t see any reason new variants would ever stop coming. What are you proposing is the end point of all of this?
Here is something for you to consider: this is the new 'normal'. That world you lived in 18 months ago? Gone. Not coming back. There is no 'end point', it just goes on and we learn to adapt. Eventually we get better at it, learn more about what is and is not a risk, and a few things start to look like the 2019, but most things don't go back. This is the reality you need to adjust to.
Why are you saying this with such an absolute certainty without providing a convincing argument?