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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by thenaturalist »

offby37years wrote: post #165
optimiz3 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc. No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda. We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools. There has been zero leadership he…

California COVID death rate: 0.146% Florida COVID death rate: 0.155% These numbers are statistically tied. Yet, FL's economy is open, kids are in school, Disney World entertaining tourists. CA's business are closed & kids are depressed and falling behind. (Bad) leadership matters.

The rates seem to be indeed quite similar, but what are your sources for these numbers? A simple Google search [0, 1] yields

California: 57.501 deaths, 3.641.664 cases (= 1.58%)

[0] https://g.co/kgs/kooiXn

Florida: 32.712 deaths, 2.004.354 cases (= 1.63%)

[1] https://g.co/kgs/Mrh3NR

Total number of cases to total state population is just shy of 10% in both cases.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by School-Cotton »

monocasa wrote: post #229
School-Cotton wrote: post #214

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The death rate from Covid is not double digits in Italy or any other country. Where are your numbers coming from?

The death rate in Italy was in the double digits during the period of their hospitals being overrun last spring. Then they initiated heavy lockdowns, and got their death rate back under control.

Link sources.

Prediction: you are quoting the meaningless CFR number rather than reliable estimates of IFR.

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Post by School-Cotton »

YarickR2 wrote: post #233
School-Cotton wrote: post #200

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> When the rubber hits the road (i.e. when it comes to spending money) the US as a country doesn’t care about things like early childhood education all that much. What countries fund education better per capita than the US? Can you give numbers? According to various sources, for example https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cmd.asp , US per-student K-12 education funding is only behind four OECD countries: Switz…

Spending in general is not a universal or meaningful metric to measure quality of education, details matter. Huge sums spent on school security/meals/transportation do nothing to increase quality of schooling compared to countries where all those measures are unnecessary (safe urban environments with parents able to feed kids by themselves)

> Spending in general is not a universal or meaningful metric to measure quality of education

Right. Are you agreeing with me? Is this not my entire point?

> Huge sums spent on school security/meals/transportation

Any numbers on what fraction of school budgets these typically are?

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Post by monocasa »

tinus_hn wrote: post #226
monocasa wrote: post #159

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Tell that to Italy. Their death rate was in the double digits when hospital capacity was overrun.

When compared to people tested positive, when they only had resources to test the people they were pretty sure were infected. Their death rate in April was the same as the peak of the second wave in December.

They had already instituted a heavy lockdown by April.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by tinus_hn »

II2II wrote: post #204

I live in a part of North America that kept its schools open during most of the pandemic. Children are learning and playing together. The games they play are pretty much the games they would have played a bit over a year ago. The adults in their lives don't transfer the stress that they are feeling to children whenever two kids get the urge to hug each other. It is almost as though the pandemic does not exist. For th…

> as a part of a swift and hopefully short response.

Unfortunately that doesn’t work because once you decide to close them, you also need to decide to bite the bullet and open them again.

And if it turns out it doesn’t work (or ‘doesn’t work enough’) and cases remain high, that’s a tough decision.

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Post by WalterGR »

jjcon wrote: post #164
optimiz3 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc. No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda. We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools. There has been zero leadership he…

> COVID does worse in warmer climates Is that really substantiated or has it just been theorized? California and Texas have been doing poorly compared to Florida so heat itself doesn’t seem to be the differing factor if it is a factor at all.

California and Texas have been doing poorly compared to Florida

That is simply not true. California has had fewer cases per capita, fewer deaths per capital, and more tests per capita.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by 1experience »

croes wrote: post #175
1experience wrote: post #141

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Please tell me where are all these deaths in Sweden, Belarus, Brazil, Florida... https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-... So you're telling me that in places like Brazil more people are being traumatized by deaths in overloaded hospitals compared to Westerners (who are less traumatized) thanks to a year of isolation? uhmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcAYObnlehE&t=2623s https://www.youtube.c…

Ask yourself, what's the bigger trauma for you. Your partner dies of COVID-19, you can't see your parents for a year.

That's a non question, as if you could have prevented the majority of people from dying of it, lockdowns were about "flattening the curve" they weren't even saving the majority of lives (maybe some) at an incommensurable social cost.

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Post by stareatgoats »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #107

So if I'm reading this right, Reuters sent survey's to an unknown number of school districts. Of those sent, 74 replied, and of those 55 answered "yes, we saw an increase in this metric" to at least two questions on the survey. How many would answer yes to at least two in most years? How many schools saw a decrease in metrics? And how many surveys weren't completed, as a district having issues seems more likely to re…

>I don't doubt there have been issues

Nor do I, and especially the youngest students might be suffering, but at the same time there seems to be an concerted effort from the established "brick-and-mortar" education establishment to discourage from further experiments in the remote learning field, something which seriously threatens the way education has been executed hitherto, being potentially both much cheaper and more individually targeted.

That's at least the conclusion that I draw from the fact that there are multiple reports of this supposed mental health hazard that comes with remote learning, but the evidence is notoriously anecdotal. The only reliable real statistic I have seen (from Sweden) is that the quality of learning and grades on average have gone up, if anything.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by monocasa »

School-Cotton wrote: post #217
monocasa wrote: post #172

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> At this point we have enough data. The CDC gives an approximate IFR of 0.7% in the US. That would translate to low 7 digits. Also, it's very heavily weighted to the 70+ population. ..with lockdowns in effect enough to keep hospitalization rates below capacity. > Strictly speaking from a kid's perspective, it would mostly be the experience of losing a grandparent early. It would be sad (as death almost always is) bu…

> ..with lockdowns in effect enough to keep hospitalization rates below capacity. “Want to buy this vampire repelling rock?”

School closings have been shown to be one of the most effective government interventions.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/eabd9338

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Post by School-Cotton »

smoldesu wrote: post #171
nradov wrote: post #99

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There is little or no evidence that children frequently transmit the virus to adults. And even if there was, it wouldn't be ethical to collectively punish all children just to marginally reduce the risk to a minority of vulnerable people.

So in your eyes, it's more ethical to infect children with a disease that could kill their parents/grandparents than it is to keep them home?

Yes, it can be, depending on the probability behind that “could”. (Anything could kill anyone, so you need to be more specific)
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