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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by axiolite »

superflit wrote: post #64

That was the reason I decided to go in debt to pay for private schools. Not only my kid was able to go to real live class but was more social and not isolated. Is it worth it? Well I have 40K in Debt. My values are that it is worth. Now working 2-3 jobs to pay it all.

Have to wonder if your kid would be happier to spend more time with you, instead of you being away all the time, working extra hours to pay for the private school. Perhaps you could have organized free/cheap social events, instead of paying for them in the form of a private school.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by ceejayoz »

decafninja wrote: post #155

Disclaimer: I am not a parent. Recalling back to my student days, I and my friends would be ecstatic about not going to school for whatever reason. Granted, the most extended no-school period would be the 3 months of summer break. I don't recall any kid ever actually wanting to go to school. Maybe I'm thinking of this all wrong, but I feel it kind of hard to believe kids aren't liking not having to go to school. Did…

A day off and a year off aren't really comparable, though.

They're also still largely in school, just remotely. My middle school aged children have Zoom calls, remote band/orchestra lessons, classwork, etc. on their remote days - it's not the same as a snowday.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by koolba »

lupire wrote: post #138
koolba wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely nothing. Look at Florida for a decent example of what’d happen at scale if we left schools open. It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September. The state as a whole has done better at dealing with the virus than other similar sized large states. It also has a wide range from dense urban to light rural populations. It’s not that you don’t have any m…

Why are you making absurd claims like " fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September", that trivial to refute with a simple web search? https://www.browardschools.com/backtoschool

All but three districts were open in September and those were open for children for in person learning a month later: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/education/os-prem-ne-op...

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by jjcon »

optimiz3 wrote: post #156
koolba wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely nothing. Look at Florida for a decent example of what’d happen at scale if we left schools open. It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September. The state as a whole has done better at dealing with the virus than other similar sized large states. It also has a wide range from dense urban to light rural populations. It’s not that you don’t have any m…

COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc. No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda. We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools. There has been zero leadership he…

> COVID does worse in warmer climates

Is that really substantiated or has it just been theorized? California and Texas have been doing poorly compared to Florida so heat itself doesn’t seem to be the differing factor if it is a factor at all.

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Post by offby37years »

optimiz3 wrote: post #156
koolba wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely nothing. Look at Florida for a decent example of what’d happen at scale if we left schools open. It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September. The state as a whole has done better at dealing with the virus than other similar sized large states. It also has a wide range from dense urban to light rural populations. It’s not that you don’t have any m…

COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc. No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda. We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools. There has been zero leadership he…

California COVID death rate: 0.146%

Florida COVID death rate: 0.155%

These numbers are statistically tied.

Yet, FL's economy is open, kids are in school, Disney World entertaining tourists.

CA's business are closed & kids are depressed and falling behind.

(Bad) leadership matters.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by ZoomerCretin »

sudosteph wrote: post #142
thaumasiotes wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally, I think that should be flipped, but kid’s don’t vote. The most interesting place I've seen this type of argument made it along these lines: - US policy is for housing to appreciate in cost over time - Housing is demanded by young people starting new households, and freed up by old people dying or moving into group housing. - Housing policy is thus a massive ongoing transfer of wealth from incipient hous…

That dynamic is actually one of the reasons I think Corey Booker's "baby bonds" idea is so clever. If a child enters adulthood with some amount that has grown in a way that matches up with the economic growth at large, then maybe they won't be locked out of housing ownership.

There is not enough housing. The solution to rising prices isn't giving people more money to further bid up the price, but to increase the supply of housing which would lower (or at the very least, slow the growth of) housing prices.

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Post by stickfigure »

monocasa wrote: post #83
nradov wrote: post #68

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Do you have any proof that that would have increased depression rates in children relative to what we see today? And an 8 digit body count would be impossible in the US for a disease with a >99% survival rate. So quit the hyperbole.

What proof would you believe without empirically letting the death rate get into the double digits to begin with?

At this point we have enough data. The CDC gives an approximate IFR of 0.7% in the US. That would translate to low 7 digits. Also, it's very heavily weighted to the 70+ population.

Strictly speaking from a kid's perspective, it would mostly be the experience of losing a grandparent early. It would be sad (as death almost always is) but probably not life-changing.

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Post by optimiz3 »

jjcon wrote: post #164
optimiz3 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc. No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda. We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools. There has been zero leadership he…

> COVID does worse in warmer climates Is that really substantiated or has it just been theorized? California and Texas have been doing poorly compared to Florida so heat itself doesn’t seem to be the differing factor if it is a factor at all.

Technically, it's based around the fact the virus spreads slower in summer (warm, humid) than winter (cold, dry). Though I suppose California and Texas are more (warm, dry) so maybe the union factor is dry. Or something else like population density or time spent indoors.

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Post by redisman »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #107

So if I'm reading this right, Reuters sent survey's to an unknown number of school districts. Of those sent, 74 replied, and of those 55 answered "yes, we saw an increase in this metric" to at least two questions on the survey. How many would answer yes to at least two in most years? How many schools saw a decrease in metrics? And how many surveys weren't completed, as a district having issues seems more likely to re…

Also how much of this metric is from the school closure vs the rest of society dealing with covid?

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by theknocker »

cassalian wrote: post #9

Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

It's not strange at all. It's completely expected that nothing is real until enough liberal news outlets put it in a headline, preferably a polemic one.

By the way, dan, I'm aware that I'm shadowbanned. It does have side-effects.

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