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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by monocasa »

swayvil wrote: post #94
monocasa wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

Yet Florida is perfectly ok. Obviously this "8 digit body count" concept is a load of that which makes the grass grow green.

I would use many phrases to describe Florida's covid response, but "perfectly ok" would not be one of them.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by d6e »

christkv wrote: post #86
croes wrote: post #77

What would it have been like if the schools had not been closed? If millions had been infected in a short time and the hospitals had been overloaded so that in addition to the deaths from Corona, the deaths from lack of capacity would have been added? How traumatic would that be for the children? Are there any studies on this from New York or Italy? Can the consequences of the lockdown be so cleanly separated from th…

Lots of European countries kept schools open during most of the pandemic so the answer is quit simple not much. I don’t know what studies you are referencing but they don’t seem to be backed by the experience in European countries.

What were the infection numbers when those European schools were open? Most of Europe did an actual lockdown and so was able to open schools at times when the numbers are down.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

croes wrote: post #77

What would it have been like if the schools had not been closed? If millions had been infected in a short time and the hospitals had been overloaded so that in addition to the deaths from Corona, the deaths from lack of capacity would have been added? How traumatic would that be for the children? Are there any studies on this from New York or Italy? Can the consequences of the lockdown be so cleanly separated from th…

Comparing regions where schools opened earlier or were open for longer doesn’t support this extreme claim that “additional millions would have been infected in a short time”

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by croes »

mrfusion wrote: post #16

That’s just the tip of the iceberg too. A quick summary of the lockdown harms: missed hospital visits for heart attacks and cancer screening, cancelled childhood vaccinations, school closures, child and spousal abuse, kids growing up without seeing facial expressions on others, pain from postponed elective (including dental) procedures, food shortages in the third world (and even in developed countries), the highest…

Vs traumatized from death of relatives, death from overloaded hospitals, food shortages because death of working family members. And why are kids grow up without seeing facial expressions? They are not isolated but spend more time with their parents, what's wrong with the world if this leads to mental health problems. Year after year it was told parents need to spend more time with their children to built up their confidence and now this? Could it ve it's not the lockdown, that causes the mental health problems but the pandemic?

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by ghaff »

kortilla wrote: post #32
germinalphrase wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US federal gov’t spends about 3x as much on those over the age of 65 than it does those under the age of 18 (including transfer payments to parents of those children)[0]. Personally, I think that should be flipped, but kid’s don’t vote. [0] https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/23x...

That includes social security. What a stupid comparison. The whole point of social security is a government retirement program based on you putting money into it.

And another decent chunk is federal civilian and military pensions which is also a benefit earned by working.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by JeremyBanks »

swayvil wrote: post #94
monocasa wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

Yet Florida is perfectly ok. Obviously this "8 digit body count" concept is a load of that which makes the grass grow green.

it's okay because only one in one thousand people have died

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by boomboomsubban »

So if I'm reading this right, Reuters sent survey's to an unknown number of school districts. Of those sent, 74 replied, and of those 55 answered "yes, we saw an increase in this metric" to at least two questions on the survey.

How many would answer yes to at least two in most years? How many schools saw a decrease in metrics? And how many surveys weren't completed, as a district having issues seems more likely to respond?

I don't doubt there have been issues, but without the full survey details I don't trust any of this article's conclusions.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by carapace »

adamnemecek wrote: post #42

For my me personally, school was a cause of mental anguish.

Me too. It was a huge PITA, a sick joke.

I doubt it's the lockdown per se that's causing problems rather than making kids sit inside and play what amounts to really crappy video games all day.

I mean, that's what this quote says to me:

> “Every morning I woke up crying because it was another day of online school.”

Can you imagine the torment? It's like something out of Kafka, or "Brazil" (the movie.)

Seymour Papert must be whirling in his grave.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by koolba »

croes wrote: post #77

What would it have been like if the schools had not been closed? If millions had been infected in a short time and the hospitals had been overloaded so that in addition to the deaths from Corona, the deaths from lack of capacity would have been added? How traumatic would that be for the children? Are there any studies on this from New York or Italy? Can the consequences of the lockdown be so cleanly separated from th…

Likely nothing. Look at Florida for a decent example of what’d happen at scale if we left schools open. It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September. The state as a whole has done better at dealing with the virus than other similar sized large states. It also has a wide range from dense urban to light rural populations.

It’s not that you don’t have any mitigations. It’s that you tailor them to the problem. Florida did have lockdowns for senior centers and that likely lowered the overall death rate given the skewed mortality stats.

So why did they open, but not CA or NY? I’m sure cozying up to the teacher’s unions at the very least factored into those states’ Governor’s decisions.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by croes »

pragmatic8 wrote: post #82
croes wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure it's the lockdown and not only that the lockdown makes you more aware of the danger of the virus?

Well, if the person is healthy and young, I can’t imagine why it’d be the latter.

Because young and healthy only lowers the probability of dying and not the probability of long term effects. "COVID-19 patients also suffer kidney and lung damage at above-average rates, with kidney failure occurring in more than a third of those who become severely ill. In a few cases, the virus has even been found in spinal fluid. This can trigger an immediate infection in the brain known in medical terms as meningoencephalitis. This can also have long-term consequences, such as permanent cognitive problems and memory impairments."
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