Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

Post by GavinMcG » Thu, Mar 18, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

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No. The evidence against the rate being 1 in 2.3 million is that the total number of cases divided by the total number of people vaccinated is a higher rate. You can't take a subset of the population, find that that subset is out of step with the rate in the total population, and then conclude that the rate in the total population is wrong. The number of cases isn't necessarily evenly distributed, and your model is o…

This probably doesn't convince you, but as additional data, Norwegian authorities have now confirmed five hospitalizations due to this presumed side effect, two of which resulted in death. https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/86OmPr/drama-i-kulisse... Of course, Norwegian health authorities point out in the interview that the ethical consideration will be different between countries, depending on expected vaccine de…

Post by runawaybottle » Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 12:28 AM UTC

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The hospitals are full because massive amounts of exaggerated takes on Coronavirus were propped up by many vehicles (media, moral heroes, etc). We couldn’t identify the true at-risk demo and target them. No, enough of the moral take. We didn’t approach this pragmatically, and we need to stand up against the grandstanding that fervently uses emotional hostage taking as a talking point. FUD was at maximum from the star…

We're a year in. We can identify at risk cases, and, from the beginning, only heavy cases get to the hospital.

Post by staticautomatic » Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 3:51 AM UTC

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But... then... there would be less news.

nobody wants to read the "Journal of Unsurprising Results Consistent With Evidence"

Post by airhead969 » Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 6:53 AM UTC

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It’s said in many texts about this (possible) problem, but I don’t understand how serious blood clots and low levels of blood platelets can go together. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platelet : “Platelets […] are a component of blood whose function […] is to react to bleeding from blood vessel injury by clumping, thereby initiating a blood clot.” So, I would expect low platelet counts to be associated with excessive…

I've had the exact some happen (It's rare, but here I am), including a transient ischemic stroke while having virtually no platelets. There is no real understanding for the cause of immune thrombocytopenia in the first place, but the combination of low platelets and clotting happens in quite a few cases. Platelets take on a lot of roles beyond clotting (for example they transport serotonin, which itself has been link…

Post by jobigoud » Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

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Yep, this^ is the point. It is amazing that this key point is missed in so many discussions. Now.. maybe it is still worth the risk for a young 20 year old female, but I am not so sure - especially since we luckily have other vaccines that do not show this risk.

Well it's certainly worth doing risk reward calculations but so far they seem pretty clearly in favour of taking the vaccine.