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Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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Is there a reason you think consciousness can't simply be explained as brain activity?

I don't think consciousness can be explained as brain activity. To me that would lead to consciousness being a form of computation.

There are more neurons in your brain than stars in the galaxy, and each one of them is a chemical computer. I don't think it's so far fetched that such a system is capable of a computation as complex and nuanced as consciousness.

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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I find that a very strange statement for a supposedly conscious being to make. Consciousness does absolutely objectively exist, or at least I can say it does for me. That its existence is not objectively measurable doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just means that the philosophy of empiricism is not complete.

>I find that a very strange statement for a supposedly conscious being to make. I don't claim to be conscious. I am alive and awake and thinking and sensing, etc. >Consciousness does absolutely objectively exist, or at least I can say it does for me. This sentence appears to confuse subjective experience with objective reality. >That its existence is not objectively measurable doesn't mean it doesn't exist If we can…

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Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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Can you expand on consciousness not being a thing? You mean it doesn't exist at all or it isn't a physical thing?

I don't believe consciousness exists in a meaningful way in the real world. It certainly exists as a word in a dictionary and as something for philosophical types to have woo debates over. I think the word is vague term that signifies different somewhat independent things that living organisms have to a greater or lesser extent (memory, emotion, thought, embodiment, etc). I believe attempting to have a scientific deb…

Of course you're conscious. It's simply a label attached to the phenomena going on in your head. Denying you are conscious is about as substantive as people with certain psychiatric disorders saying they aren't real.

>If we can think of something that is not objectively measurable what suggests that it exists objectively as opposed to it being a subjective opinion?

That you prefer chocolate ice cream isn't objective. But that you have a preference for chocolate ice cream is objective. The content of the conscious percept isn't necessarily real, but the fact that you are having what we call a 'conscious percept' certainly is real. Just because it is happening in your head, why should it not be real?

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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Why would he give a rat's ass about someone's hostile contest?

Because he might like $1M

I am familiar with the contest, and I think it is about as winnable as getting a claim paid on the cheapest insurance policy. It's designed to promote an agenda the contest designer is strongly attached to, not as a truth-seeking device.

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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prove it.

I'm not sure if it is a "proof" of any sort, but I find the ideas in the माण्डूक्य उपनिषद् (Mandukya Upanishad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandukya_Upanishad ) to be a very interesting point of view. This short text discusses the theory of four states of consciousness: Waking \ Dreaming > Turiya ≝ pure consciousness illuminating these Deep dreamless sleep / These two lectures were very good: - https://www.youtube.c…

Swami Sarvapriyananda is really good. You might enjoy this lecture, too - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjBJPz8hF_M

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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A good place to start, if you are a firm skeptic and not willing to even attempt faith or your own empirical experiences, is a book called Entangled Minds. There is not a single claim made in this book which does not have a reference to a proper peer-reviewed paper attached to it, iirc several hundred papers in all. It firmly supports consciousness being in at minimum earthworms, and probably even ,,lower,, creatures…

Is there a good podcast or Youtube video for starters? Highly sceptic of the idea and therefore intrigued.

As mentioned, I've not found a good accessible podcast or YouTube video on the matter, so maybe that means it's up to me to make one. It's not my forte, so I don't know when that will happen.

However, here's an experimental method you may find helpful in your quest for knowledge: Find a creature, any creature, who appears in your life somehow... a cat, a dog, a worm, a rat, an insect, anyone you notice.

Rack your brain as hard as you can until you begin to see some semblance of feelings and desires in them, as well as a way in which you can help them achieve it. Now, go ahead and do that thing, and do your best to ensure that it works out.

When you're done, start paying attention to what happens to you in your daily course of existence. If you're into mindfulness meditation, here is where you apply that.

If you like, please return here and report your results, I'd love to hear from you! If the thread is already closed, you can find a way to contact me via my profile.

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

#208
post #48

I've long pondered the idea that consciousness is inherent to all "things" - animal, vegetable, mineral; atom, planet, solar system - in that things experience _being_, whatever that means for a given thing. A recent oral surgery gave this hypothesis pause. I was given Propofol as an anesthetic, and upon awakening had an extremely impactful existential experience. My very consciousness had been extinguished, instantl…

Wow, Tam Hunt touches on this exact idea in this podcast at ~21:00:

https://mattasher.com/2020/07/19/episode-11-tam-hunt-on-cons...

He pitches the idea (which I'm poorly paraphrasing) that there's a relationship between the complexity of matter and the complexity of its aspect as consciousness. Smaller fields of consciousness merge with a common resonance to form larger more complex consciousness. Anesthesia or coma being states where those smaller fields fall out of resonance and the more complex consciousness breaks down.

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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Can you expand on consciousness not being a thing? You mean it doesn't exist at all or it isn't a physical thing?

I don't believe consciousness exists in a meaningful way in the real world. It certainly exists as a word in a dictionary and as something for philosophical types to have woo debates over. I think the word is vague term that signifies different somewhat independent things that living organisms have to a greater or lesser extent (memory, emotion, thought, embodiment, etc). I believe attempting to have a scientific deb…

Hold your hand to a flame and tell me there is no experience that goes beyond the material world. It feels like something to experience pain. Why? That is the question here. To deny that there is such an experience is self deceiving.

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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Being able to model consciousness mathematically opens up some grotesque possibilities. Human suffering presumably has some sort of limit based purely on our physical makeup. Suppose though the very concept of subjective suffering could be modeled in some way. Is there any law in the universe that says there is a limit to suffering, pain (or pleasure)? Could an investigator of the future test out an algorithm on a co…

Has been explored in Altered Carbon ( the book ). Digitised conscience loaded into computer simulation and torture for practically infinite amount of time

As well as in Black Mirror
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