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GitHub, fuck your name change

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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by justAnIdea »

Narann wrote: post #33

> So while the tech community was rushing around, trying to do their best impression of a black square post on Insta I remember thinking, “oh for fucks sake, they’ve completely missed the point”. Why? They forgot to talk to people who are actually members of the black community. In practice, big techs don't care about POC, they care about mobs. "Inclusive" words is just what make mobs happy and it's cheaper to do tha…

Big tech better make sure that they don't fly too close to the sun. The sun being socialist takeover of the U.S. (i.e. true progressives, whose links to socialism are undeniable, taking over the democratic party). Because most of them would not came out of that transformation unscathed.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by Quarrelsome »

dvh1990 wrote: post #331
neronero wrote: post #158

EDIT: For comparison: * "Common Mistakes of New Engineering Managers" (5hrs ago, 110 points, 30 comments) -> rank 2 * this post (2hrs ago, 1000 points, 500 comments) -> rank 20 Why is this post being penalized? Too many black folks commenting and up voting? (/s) ----- Amazingly well written. I'm going to say some things. You'd guess wrongly if you infer that I'm bitter - since I'm personally very lucky. Having been b…

I understand your anger, but that piece of advice was meant for the kind of people that CAN afford a vacation after a startup failure. Is something wrong with that? If you can afford a vacation, you take it. If you can't, you don't. I myself have a failed startup that I ran in 2018-2019. Could I afford a vacation afterwards? Nope. Can I afford another entrepreneurial run now? Nope. Am I bitter about it? Nope. Also, y…

It just demonstrates the disconnect. These people are not fathoming a scenario where people can't afford a vacation and that seems indicative of these issues. Its how you try to fix racism and just end up renaming the master branch.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by fbunau »

My company changed our team name: "Black" to something else. just because .. really ? are we not allowed to use colors anymore ? Everyone on the team is white and european. I wasn't there when the team was named, but I think it had to do with rock cool factor, not slavery.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by schwartzworld »

Late to the party, but I have a relevant story:

My last job did a bunch of faux diversity tactics starting around the same time this happened at google. Part of it was starting "support" groups for different groupings, for example one for Asian employees or another for LGBTQ. This is good.

However, I had to work weirdly hard to also have one for us Jewish employees. Weirdly hard when you consider all that had to be done was make a slack channel.

Anyway, I suggested a group for Jews, and when I finally got someone to make the channel (begrudgingly), they asked what I wanted to name it. The other channels had names like "InspirAsian" so I wanted to be clever. I came up with "the tribe", as the term "member of the tribe" refers to someone being Jewish. The channel was made, the other 10 Jewish devs were happy.

A day later I got a worried slack message from another employee. He was worried the name "The Tribe" would be offensive to Black employees, I guess because African societies are supposed to be called tribes? How about the 13 Tribes of Israel, Steve?

I think it's a great example of the kind of fake progressivism discussed in the article. The org didn't care about making a group for us because we are white, the overly concerned employee getting preemptively offended over his own ignorance. It's all so telling about how little people really care about inclusion.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by daniellarusso »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #333

I still get very annoyed with the name change every time I encounter it. I have a bunch of poorly written scripts that occasionally break with repos that have a main branch, so I have to fix these scripts I’ve written like 8 years ago

Is it easier to just switch providers to gitlab or bitbucket?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by veeti »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #95
sunaurus wrote: post #4

I feel like this topic has been discussed a lot already, but I think it's important to keep pushing back against useless wasted man-hours like this effort is. I live in a country that was almost entirely enslaved by foreigners for ~700 years. I've discussed this rename with dozens of engineers in my country. Without exception, every single one of them thinks it's completely ridiculous. We need to keep voicing these t…

You had 700 years to get over it. Harboring bad emotions is negative for all involved.

Where is the cutoff for getting over it? 100, 200, 300 years?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by newswasboring »

Freak_NL wrote: post #155
vmception wrote: post #47

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

Aren't you worried that by applying political labels like 'left' (or equally often seen in the US context: 'liberal') for something that does not really represent that political ideology, you are at risk of further polarizing such debates? This specific instance seems like an overreaction of some in both corporate and social media culture. One poster already pointed out that this is likely more about corporate fear o…

> Aren't you worried that by applying political labels like 'left' (or equally often seen in the US context: 'liberal') for something that does not really represent that political ideology, you are at risk of further polarizing such debates?

> It does have all the looks of virtue signalling without any real justification.

If you combine both the statements, you are committing a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by thinkingemote »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #196

As a white person, the difference this change will make to my life is so negligible that if it makes one PoC feel more included then it's fine by me. I totally take on board the point that a lot of man hours have been consumed debating how and when to execute this change. Possibly to the exclusion of doing something potentially more meaningful. However, the glee with which the authors opinion is accepted as the opini…

"if it makes one PoC feel more included"

How about if it does make one PoC feel more included but it also makes three PoC feel more excluded at the same time?

Is it then about numbers? Shouldn't you therefore look at and ask the community of PoC what they think as a whole?

To me, the article was saying that this holistic consultation was not done. And this has lead to the waste of time, energy and feeling of exclusion. Other comments in this thread have said that this consultation (seems to be limited to employees in Microsoft, etc) has been done...

Confirmation bias can be examined rationally. The arguments in favour of this change can be explained away in multiple ways which will override any data that is found.

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