Currently I am writing technical SoC documentation with few bus masters and many slaves on the same bus. Honestly I don’t know how to avoid these bad words since these are everywhere in the bus vendor documentation. And these words perfectly describe the relationship between instances on the bus. I guess next word to ban will be “handshake” since this is shown in movies as a greeting between criminals ans that’s what masters and slaves do in my system.
GitHub, fuck your name change
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#192> Last summer an(other) unarmed black man was killed by police in Minneapolis, Minnesota. [...] So, what was tech’s big song and dance? Let’s remove offensive terminology from our collective lexicon. There were several casualties, white/blacklist are examples of words deemed to be too offensive to use. In my memory this started way before the recent BLM protests - around the time CoC (Code of Conduct) was being intro…
> around the time CoC (Code of Conduct) was being introduced. The things about the CoCs that really annoyed me: 1. People would literally go around projects and send pull requests just to change the code of conduct to improve the wording even tho no one had made any complaints or anything. Anytime a CoC get added you would see more people mess around with the CoC than the code. It was like people just wanted to look…
>someone flirting with someone who had a boyfriend who was at the conference and said she could do better
I don't know what you think flirting is but that ain't it. Your man was being a creep and while I'd agree violence isn't the answer, I'm not at all surprised if he was threatened. (I also wouldn't be surprised if he was just told to back off initially but then pushed the issue because that is what creeps do.)
And if for some reason this still isn't obvious to the reader, here's a top tip for how to avoid getting into a fight: maybe don't insult people.
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#193This is a SJW's worst nightmare... being told they aren't needed/helping by a PoC.
There are PoC on my team and they were asked about the master/main thing. None had an issue with 'master'.
They were also sent on the same Diversity 'education' course as everyone else. Again, they found it dumb and patronising. One even got into an argument with the WASP presenter. It was quite funny to witness.
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#194I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…
In all fairness, this sort of silly business is more representative of the "Twitter left", comprised of cogs in a perpetual rage-inducing machine, than it is of "leftists" whose main objective is to address the limitations of capitalism, at varying degrees of willingness to work within the system vs burn it down. Of course, our media is run by billionaires so they capitalize on the identity politics to divide everyon…
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#195Fun fact, in a mean time, so far, no one targeted the term "scrum master" yet. Despite this being the closest to software dev modern slavery in big companies ... So, please, can we profit of that to cancel the usage of 'scrum' everywhere ? :-)
> So, please, can we profit of that to cancel the usage of 'scrum' everywhere ? :-)
If we do a good enough job, "scrum" will become a dirty word merely by association.
To the Twitter, everyone!
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#196As a white person, the difference this change will make to my life is so negligible that if it makes one PoC feel more included then it's fine by me.
I totally take on board the point that a lot of man hours have been consumed debating how and when to execute this change. Possibly to the exclusion of doing something potentially more meaningful.
However, the glee with which the authors opinion is accepted as the opinion of an entire race of people by other comments here strikes me as an example of confirmation bias. Simply finding one PoC who agrees with you doesn't validate your view point.
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#197I feel like this topic has been discussed a lot already, but I think it's important to keep pushing back against useless wasted man-hours like this effort is. I live in a country that was almost entirely enslaved by foreigners for ~700 years. I've discussed this rename with dozens of engineers in my country. Without exception, every single one of them thinks it's completely ridiculous. We need to keep voicing these t…
I agree that master->main is pretty pointless. But what about getting rid of "slave", "blacklist" and "whitelist". The last two kind of opened my eyes to connotation of black and white, that may be problematic to some. Also I find "allow/denylist" more descriptive, maybe that helps.
None of this helps. All this worthless virtue signalling does is irk people, and make them start ignoring actual societal issues.
Absolutely no one is using words like blacklist in association with black people, in the same way that (almost) no one uses lame in reference to a crippled person anymore.
Do you even know any black people that give a damn about changing words just to appease American black people? Most of my family is black and so are most of my close friends. They would all find this absurd.
Mind you, these are Trinidadian black people, and so we are all the descendents of slaves as well. This is all so condescending and borderline demeaning that white people think that we are so inept that we think such changes would affect literally anything in life.
Stop it. Please.
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#198I would agree "slave" seems a weird choice of a word but I can see nothing wrong in "master". Not a single moment in my life I thought about slavery when hearing/seeing the word "master". Should we also rename master degrees perhaps?
>I would agree "slave" seems a weird choice of a word
I disagree, however I'm not a native English speaker. It is the most descriptive single word describing this mode of working. We can't ban master/slave as a word or we will loose understanding of what it means. Another poster already mentioned that there are actual human slaves in existence today. I once heard in our time there are more human slaves than ever (mostly due to there being more people overall). It is sad that large companies like Microsoft(Github) choose to waste energy on such pointless activities instead of actually doing something about modern slavery.
Microsoft is still in unique position of being able to pressure hardware makers. Why don't they pressure them into at least trying to improve conditions of actual slaves that mine cobalt and other rare materials at the bottom of their supply chain?
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#199This is a topic I feel cannot be openly discussed on HN (and basically everywhere else), sadly. I switched from Github to Gitlab after this change. Political correctness is a great way to know that a company has the completely wrong focus and will be unable to innovate and create good products.
But GitLab also implemented this change? Well, they gave admins the option to change the default branch name to whatever they like, and they've announced they're changing from master to main by default in the next two months or so: https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2021/03/10/new-git-default-bra... You may as well stop using Git completely then, since Git itself uses main as recommended.
The news is just a week old, I didn't know about it. Maybe I'll use something else than git, what are some modern alternatives?
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#200Though I initially sympathized with the name change from master to main (cause I don't care what it is called), I am now more of the opinion that this kind of window-dressing might actually be harmful as it distracts from addressing the root cause. It is a bit complicated as the name change in itself is not bad, but given the context, and that it distracts from addressing real issues it actually is. Same thing with p…
I think such a change generates awareness. A lot of problems linger in the tech sector I'm not really aware of. The write up of the article author sheds light again on biased recruitment in the tech sector. Something that appears to be a fundamental problem with the education sector in the US being broken.
True, it generated awareness - but also hate, possibly much more than not.