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GitHub, fuck your name change

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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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...and nobody in the valley seems to be aware of the etymology for "slave" :)

Or "robot"/"bot".

Well I think heavy industry will do better weathering the wave of tech articles helpfully suggesting laughable solutions to non-problems. They don't share the same weakness to slacktivist pull-requests.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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I feel like this topic has been discussed a lot already, but I think it's important to keep pushing back against useless wasted man-hours like this effort is. I live in a country that was almost entirely enslaved by foreigners for ~700 years. I've discussed this rename with dozens of engineers in my country. Without exception, every single one of them thinks it's completely ridiculous. We need to keep voicing these t…

GitHubs decision is a form of cultural imperialism. That's what it really is. Only because the US want's to somehow deal with a dark part of it's history, the rest of the world should not be foreced to adapt their views.

You'd think the rest of the world could come up with a centralized git repo.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Digressing here, but I really dislike Medium. I wanted to look up HBCUs which is an acronym in this article I was not familiar with (I am not American), but Medium's crappy UI displays a "quote on Twitter" popup thing when you select any text, and then deselects the text. This means I can't use the "look up" feature but into the OS, like I can on almost every other web page.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#154
The project I work on is going to migrate codebase from SVN to Git one of next days (yeah, like it's 2011...). There are collegues that have never used Git before (e.g. one is a junior dev and this is its first job ever), so they are learning Git right now. No one supported the use of name 'main'. It's just a name change and everyone considers it to be something totally stupid and just bc of that we are not going to use it. I can understand whitelist vs blacklist change, master\slave from the days I built PCs with IDE HDD, but this, God...

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#155

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

Aren't you worried that by applying political labels like 'left' (or equally often seen in the US context: 'liberal') for something that does not really represent that political ideology, you are at risk of further polarizing such debates?

This specific instance seems like an overreaction of some in both corporate and social media culture. One poster already pointed out that this is likely more about corporate fear of getting targetted by a vocal but ultimately small 'woke' crowd (there, another label, but at least a bit more specific than just generally someone who wishes to achieve basic goals like welfare, equality, and regulation of private industry). It does have all the looks of virtue signalling without any real justification.

In debates like this sometimes a small number of loud, well-meaning but naive people get much more influence than they should for fear of the other being painted the bad guy, while a significant number of people who are actually affected by the underlying issues don't get heard at all.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#156

I would agree "slave" seems a weird choice of a word but I can see nothing wrong in "master". Not a single moment in my life I thought about slavery when hearing/seeing the word "master". Should we also rename master degrees perhaps?

Master bedroom, master record, master copy. The word master is just a synonym for main.

'Master bedroom' is going out of real estate descriptions, being replaced by 'main bedroom'. E.g. https://www.housebeautiful.com/lifestyle/fun-at-home/a1087/m... but that's just the first google hit, there's plenty out there.

In Dutch (both in .nl and .be), the English term 'master bedroom' was fashionable for a few years, until the stigma of that term carried over from the Anglosphere and it's now being replaced (in the woke areas of the country) with 'ouderslaapkamer', which is literally translated 'parent bedroom'. Although now that term itself is 'controversial' (not mainstream controversial, more in small hardcore circles, so I'm not sure if this will actually become an issue) because (to the best of my understanding of this objection) 'parent bedroom' implies that the 2-parents-with-children family form is normative (you can't make this up if you tried to), which it shouldn't be.

Not sure what my point is, maybe that using 'master' for 'main' is no longer outright commonly accepted usage?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#157

I would agree "slave" seems a weird choice of a word but I can see nothing wrong in "master". Not a single moment in my life I thought about slavery when hearing/seeing the word "master". Should we also rename master degrees perhaps?

Master bedroom, master record, master copy. The word master is just a synonym for main.

In Ye Olde Dayes it referred to someone who had control or authority over a place, object, craft, etc -- a teacher would be a master for example. It's a common word across European languages, and certainly predated the atlantic slave trade.

Probably descended from the Latin word "magister", which (despite Rome having plenty of slaves) didn't neccersarilly refer to a slaveowner -- indeed many Roman slaves were Ludi Magister -- educated slaves that were teachers at Roman schools

Etymology of "master bedroom" seems to come from "Master's bedroom" in boarding schools, where it was the bedroom that the school master occupied (with Master having descended from Roman times)

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#158
EDIT: For comparison:

* "Common Mistakes of New Engineering Managers" (5hrs ago, 110 points, 30 comments) -> rank 2

* this post (2hrs ago, 1000 points, 500 comments) -> rank 20

Why is this post being penalized? Too many black folks commenting and up voting? (/s)

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Amazingly well written. I'm going to say some things. You'd guess wrongly if you infer that I'm bitter - since I'm personally very lucky. Having been born in a not so privileged family (more common than not in the world), by the luck of the draw I am today very privileged because I work in tech (in itself not that common).

The actual problem that is at the core of all of this is - incredible disconnectedness from the plight of even regular people by the world's tech bubbles. On average, people of color have it (!!!) even worse (!!!), but it seems that these SV/NY/LDN/etc. tech bros are completely devoid of any conception of how difficult any average Joe has it.

To illustrate disconnectedness: there was an interview with a YC partner a few years back that went like this:

INTERVIEWER: "What would you advise to the young folks interested in startups?"

YC-PARTNER: "I would tell them to be ambitious, try their best, work hard and if it doesn't succeed - it doesn't succeed. You should take a vacation and try again." (the emphasis and the exact phrasing of the vacuous advice are mine)

How the fuck does one TAKE A VACATION after your startup fails?!

It goes without saying that the YC partner and their brother received tech stocks from their grandparents for one of their teen-birthdays.

Here's a litmus test to know whether you're likely disconnected: As a techie/doctor/engineer did you become by far the highest paid person in your wider family by your mid 20s? If the answer is "NO", then you would be disconnected by default - unless you consciously invested effort to educate yourself.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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I work in the games industry, and as a small piece of anecdotal evidence, some of the best programmers I've ever worked with never completed a degree, and some never even started one.

There is a lot of talented people out there, willing and able to work hard. Limiting your search to university graduates is really shortsighted.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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I feel like this topic has been discussed a lot already, but I think it's important to keep pushing back against useless wasted man-hours like this effort is. I live in a country that was almost entirely enslaved by foreigners for ~700 years. I've discussed this rename with dozens of engineers in my country. Without exception, every single one of them thinks it's completely ridiculous. We need to keep voicing these t…

We've had a few months to turn off an option in Github to change this behavior. I believe there was even an email that went out and a thread on HN concerning this change. Any conversation at this point is just whinging to the void to farm engagement.
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