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Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by cbozeman »

rospaya wrote: post #224
cbozeman wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…

That's a very American way of thinking, just the kind of reasoning that allowed Facebook to almost destroy your democracy. I'm aware that discussing free speech on any platform is a fool's errand, but at some point somebody has to say that making people angry is profitable and facilitated through the US concept of giving anyone a platform to say anything with very little consequences. And the last four years really s…

> people literally rather died than wore a piece of cloth just because they looked at it emotionally and not rationally

And that's fine. If you're going to live in a so-called "free" society, part of that "freedom" means people have to be "free" to make stupid choices, even if those stupid choices kill them.

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Post by aaomidi »

tom_mellior wrote: post #226
cbozeman wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…

> They can exist because both of them are going to HAVE to learn how to engage with one another You're assuming good faith from both parties. Harassers and trolls don't act in good faith.

And now with gpt3 we can create an endlessly creative bots of harassers!

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by cbozeman »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #210
cbozeman wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…

I am not sure I understand your claim... there are many global-scale companies that do moderate their entire site... Google, Reddit, Amazon. Are you trying to make a more specific claim than your post lets on? Maybe that it’s impossible to moderate without making some concession you don’t prefer? Or it’s impossible to moderate away certain kinds of things?

You're going to use Reddit as an example, where the people least deserving of power are given it, freely, and end up banning people for merely having different opinions?

I would not have used that in my list.

It doesn't boil down to a "concession I don't prefer". The only thing you moderate are those things deemed illegal by the Federal government, anything else is fair game, which brings us a pretty large umbrella of discussion in which to engage. Some people don't want to engage in those discussions because they're hard and/or unpleasant. They not required to, and can freely leave them and ignore them. Allowing whiners who can't stand that people may have a controversial opinion that's at odds with their beliefs to have any power whatsoever is a fast track to failure on multiple levels.

People have block tools; they need to learn to use them.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by cbozeman »

sterlind wrote: post #192
cbozeman wrote: post #169

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It really was, but we've largely abandoned that model. The new model is going to require understanding that there are people who are totally opposed to almost everything you hold dear... and finding a way to interact with them.

Discord (and Reddit, mostly) moderation still works in the old ways. Whenever there's something like a server or channel or subreddit moderation can be delegated, at least somewhat. Maybe vast unstructured oceans like Twitter aren't the way forward?

> Maybe vast unstructured oceans like Twitter aren't the way forward?

Maybe people just need to learn how to use their block buttons and maybe people that own these platforms need to grow some balls and tell those same people to get the fuck over it and that not everyone believes what they believe.

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Post by Groxx »

tom_mellior wrote: post #228
dkarras wrote: post #219

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I think that feature exists unless I am imagining things? There should be a ... button on the top of the tweet and there should be something like "Not interested in this tweet" there. When you click it, I think it says "show fewer tweets by X" and there should also be an option to see fewer of the likes / retweets from a person. But in reality, in twitter, like is a soft form of retweeting and users know it. So if so…

The feature exists, but it doesn't work. Repeatedly asking for "fewer likes by this person" doesn't visibly reduce the frequency of those likes being pushed onto you. The whole thing is a stupid misfeature: Likes are not retweets, so they shouldn't behave like them.

I've been saying "Show this less often" / "Fewer likes by this person" / etc pretty much continuously on every element ever since that option appeared.

As far as I can tell, it has never had any effect whatsoever. I still see the components I dismiss, and I still see likes from the same people. Possibly less often... but it's hard to tell when it's every time I open the page.

At this point I click it mostly out of stubbornness and perverse curiosity, to see if the company is at all capable of changing this awful course.

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Post by edoceo »

Nasrudith wrote: post #247
edoceo wrote: post #222

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No win? With hella bank roll and their engineering staff? BS. They've got a path forward but their management needs to see a new model - and they are not innovators/disruptors anymore. Prognosis: twitter will rot more for next 2-5 years and management won't notice till the ticker is affected. It will take a bit for consumer sentiment to reflect. Then we'll see a new CEO, some shake-up and grand announcement. I hope i…

That sounds like the spooks giving a "nerd harder" response to being told backdoors will compromise security for everyone. Just because they have money and talent doesn't mean they can do the impossible.

I'm not telling engineers to try harder. I'm telling managers to discover a less slimy model than outrage-to-engage.

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Post by hyperpape »

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #178
hyperpape wrote: post #50

Reminded of Rachel’s post about requiring confirmation for exceptionally destructive actions ( https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2020/10/26/num/ ).

I don’t know how this relates to the twitter thingy, but it was a useful read, thanks! A relevant tag: #devops

swiftonsecurity speculated that whoever banned “Memphis” meant to ban something like “123 Example Street, Memphis”, but hit an edge case in the parser or screwed up a regex or something.

My thought is that the message “you’re about to ban 123,456 users, please confirm how many users you’re ready to ban” would have been a useful safeguard.

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Post by nine_k »

tom_mellior wrote: post #226
cbozeman wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…

> They can exist because both of them are going to HAVE to learn how to engage with one another You're assuming good faith from both parties. Harassers and trolls don't act in good faith.

There is a well-known recipe against trolls: do not feed them. Block and ignore them. If you visit a bathroom, you normally don't bloviate about the kind of crap you had just to flush, you rather avoid the topic; the same applies to trolls. Bring zero attention to them.

Trolls' game is all about drawing attention, in the form of ire, offense, and and panic. Deprive them this, and they'll cease to bother you much.

This is, of course, easier to do if you are a statue of buddha made of reinforced concrete, but even us living beings can learn and engage in some best practices of communication online.

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Post by cageface »

cbozeman wrote: post #261
rospaya wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very American way of thinking, just the kind of reasoning that allowed Facebook to almost destroy your democracy. I'm aware that discussing free speech on any platform is a fool's errand, but at some point somebody has to say that making people angry is profitable and facilitated through the US concept of giving anyone a platform to say anything with very little consequences. And the last four years really s…

> people literally rather died than wore a piece of cloth just because they looked at it emotionally and not rationally And that's fine. If you're going to live in a so-called "free" society, part of that "freedom" means people have to be "free" to make stupid choices, even if those stupid choices kill them.

What if their stupid choices kill other people too?

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by GhostVII »

fortyseven wrote: post #229
GhostVII wrote: post #121

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Why not have user curated and shareable blocklists? So if I never want to see anything from Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopoulos and the like, I just subscribe to a blocklist that eliminates far right commentators. You could even create networks of trusted users where anyone they block, is blocked for everyone in the network. Or have shareable rulesets, like "block anyone who uses this word", or "block anyone who follows…

> Why not have user curated and shareable blocklists? Not a fan of this. I've found myself banned a couple times, only to find out I likely got caught up someones blocklist that put out a large blanket block on anyone friends with someone who followed someone else. Or some similar indirect nonsense. The idea being you're isolating yourself from someone who's friends with an asshole, so you're less likely to encounter…

Sure, but that is the users choice when they chose to use a particular list. I think it is better to give someone the option to choose which people or classes of people to block than decide for them. If someone thinks the risk of blocking someone they are interested in is outweighed by the cost of being exposed to people who's opinions they find damaging, that is their choice.

Personally I wouldn't really block anyone, but I think it is better to have the option that to not.

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