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UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by dkersten »

jonplackett wrote: post #430

The idea of GDPR was good, the execution was poor. All those pop ups in your way and you end up just hitting 'ok' anyway because it takes so long to figure them out. And big companies seem to completely ignore it anyway. Take twitter - all they have is a banner along the bottom that says: "By using Twitter’s services you agree to our Cookies Use. We and our partners operate globally and use cookies, including for ana…

The pop ups are not usually complaint though. So its not that the execution was poor, but rather that the enforcement is poor.

Also, your Twitter quote shows another issue: conflating GDPR with the Cookie directive. They are two very different laws. GDPR is concerned with personally identifiable data and data protection, the cookie laws are concerned with tracking users online. GDPR applies to all data (not just websites), the cookie laws deal with what websites can do. They are not at all the same thing. The popups you see tend to be for the cookie law, because GDPR doesn't require anything like that. Both do require consent (opt-in) though, but both also have exemptions for data and cookies required to provide the service.

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Post by ferongr »

dijit wrote: post #390
rob74 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 49 and younger voted remain getting more strongly remain as you go younger Yeah, but unfortunately only 64% of the under 35 year olds bothered to turn up, while in the older age groups the turnout was much higher (80% for 35-64, 89% for over 65). That was probably a result of many (including the polls) thinking that the "Leave" side didn't have a chance of winning, same as many US Democrat supporters (also supporte…

The vote was held the same day as Glastonbury, just after university terms ended. So the students (18-24) that could vote had to be: A) living with parents during studies, or registered to vote at parents place while not living there full time (illegal) — or! Live full time on their own, which is rarely and B) to not go to Glastonbury, one of the largest festivals in the UK for young adults.

If someone chose to go to a leisure activity instead of voting in a very important referendum that supposedly decided the future of the nation, then their vote was not worth much in the first place.

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Post by remus »

fumblebee wrote: post #147

> "too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them" This is a deeply depressing take if the conclusion is to scrap GDPR. Is this true for 'data' in the general sense, or actually only true in the murky cases where there's an opportunity to use and abuse our personal data. In my book, that implies that GDPR is…

This is obviously reading the tea leaves a bit, but I didn't get the impression they are looking to scrap GDPR. It seems to me that they just want to relax things a bit so that businesses don't feel so threatened by it.

Overall I think GDPR is a very positive thing, but from the government's perspective if they could keep the adequacy agreement in place with the EU while still relaxing some of the current GDPR legislation then that would be a big win for them, especially from a political point of view as it would be some much-needed validation of their brexit strategy: "Look! We have all the benefit of being in the EU [via the adequacy decision] but we get to make our own rules! Go us." I could imagine them doing something along the lines of greatly reducing the maximum fine, for example. Big fines are typically not being issued, so they likely wouldn't see it as a big loss.

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Post by nix23 »

Normille wrote: post #342
thu2111 wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

>The NHS is a socialist anachronism Always makes me laugh when Americans use "socialist" as a derogatory term. A huge number of people in Europe [myself included] are proud to consider themselves "socialists".

Yeah must be a bad thing being a society who helps each other...like a family probably would..terrible TERRIBLE :)

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

Viliam1234 wrote: post #356
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #86

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I have many British friends who were absolutely against this, I also know a former boss who was very public about his Brexit vote and like many of those who voted for it, will be too old to have to deal with the consequences of this decision. If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. W…

> If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. From my perspective, it's more like "it was inevitable". The people pushing for Brexit would never give up. So the choice was either leave now, or keep talking for the following years/decades/centuries about how the evil EU oppresses the UK,…

"everything would be perfect if only EU stopped interfering with our perfect country" will disappear from political speech.

That doesn't seem to be disappearing. My guess is we will be hearing a lot more about the EU for the foreseeable future.

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Post by goatinaboat »

gmac wrote: post #207
callamdelaney wrote: post #109

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I'm 24 and voted for brexit. In fact I campaigned for it and would do so again. It's really a very poor form to resort to the "dumb old racists voted for brexit hurr".

OK, so the problem is that I find it basically impossible to understand how a well-informed and rational person could come to the conclusions you've come to. The EU isn't perfect, but you'll struggle to argue that it hasn't expanded peace, prosperity and human rights across the continent. This is motherhood-and-apple-pie stuff. Arguments in favour of Brexit thus tend to boil down to immigration and 'sovereignty'. The…

The EU isn't perfect, but you'll struggle to argue that it hasn't expanded peace, prosperity and human rights across the continent. This is motherhood-and-apple-pie stuff.

The ECSC then EEC did that, and of course NATO, ECHR, Schengen and various other institutions and agreements. The EU came into existence much later and claimed credit for things that were set in motion decades before. Noone would have voted to leave the EEC, the EEC was great.

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Post by nmeofthestate »

harperlee wrote: post #387
lanevorockz wrote: post #365

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This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

The website accept button is not in the GDPR. [EDIT: it's a different law] GDPR covers way more requirements regarding data management. You need complete control over the lifecycle of sensitive data, exhaustive documentation of data transformations, you have concrete obligations regarding disclosure of incidents, data removal, limitations of for what data is used, user consent management, and the obligation to have p…

Yeah, that's what I was thinking - people are mixing up GDPR with the "cookies law" that mandated the [Accept All]/[Maze of Settings] choice on all websites that want to use cookies. The cookies mess was pre-GDPR.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #138
andy_ppp wrote: post #121

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I wasn't clear in my comment - I think the decision making to avoid compliance with the EU (even when it is sensible) is going to cause big problems for the UK economy and if that get's really bad the public seem determined to vote for more and more right wing governments out of fear. I think it's a reasonable concern with the lack of safeguards in the British system of government.

I think you're being a bit sensationalist. E.g. people mock 'Singapore on Thames' but do you really think Singapore is a right-wing hellscape? It has many of the same systems the UK does.

You could hardly call it a democracy.

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Post by sharperguy »

dkersten wrote: post #428
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

Most of these companies wouldn't know how to make much use of the data anyway. My experience working with companies and analytics (even did an analytics startup some years back) is that they haven't a clue about how to actually use it and just heard that more data is somehow better. That to me sounds like they're most likely to sell the data, since they don't know how to use it themselves. Better these companies have…

In practice though with the GDPR, sites either just 403 everyone in the EU to avoid complying, or just shower you in javascript cookie notifications, making your browsing experience more bloated, slow and insecure.
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