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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by FeepingCreature »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #224
arethuza wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nigel Farage made it clear that he wouldn't accept 52-48 as being decisive: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-3630668...

Of course, and that would have been absolutely fine. Democracy is to be able to campaign for what you believe in. But equally, politically, and democratically, it is not tenable to call a referendum (which is something quite rare in the UK) and then to ignore the result. So the reality is that the government and Parliament had to abide by the result even if the referendum was legally not binding. Now people are of co…

My preferred way for a referendum to work would be to have everybody be able to change vote at any time for any reason for a year, and the referendum only ends if the vote is on the same side for a continuous year.

This would smooth out the issue of sampling the decision at one exact point.

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Post by gadders »

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #346
sofixa wrote: post #329

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Yeah, even policemen rarely have guns in the UK, allowing everyone to have one would be lunacy.

You know we can own shotguns and full power rifles (303) in the UK. Thankfully the armed police have very stringent training in the Uk.

And even larger I think. A chap I spoke to at lunchtime has a .308 for deer hunting.

What we can't have is pistols, apart from 20 or so people in the Olympic pistol shooting teams.

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Post by rlpb »

lanevorockz wrote: post #365
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

> ...you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent.

If a model box only has "I consent" and "Learn more" buttons, then I don't consider clicking on "I consent" to mean freely given GDPR consent. Since it's the only reasonable way of viewing the website, and the GDPR doesn't permit a consent-wall, it's non-consent, and any use of my personal data following that event remains illegal.

It's not a problem with the GDPR; it's a problem with the ICO failing to put a stop to this.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Nursie »

lanevorockz wrote: post #365
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

> only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent

Well that seems untrue, as someone that regularly either outright declines, or goes through and chooses "functional only".

I do occasionally see websites that say "we no longer serve the european market". That's a shame but it's up to them.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by bajsejohannes »

lanevorockz wrote: post #365
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

You are conflating GDPR and the annoying cookie dialogs.

GDPR regulates, among other things, how information is stored and deleted on servers. I have worked at multiple companies in both Europe and the US who take this very seriously and has definitely altered their practices based on this.

For example, pre-GDPR, we would "mark as deleted" but not delete. Now we delete.

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Post by dijit »

sanity wrote: post #377
vmception wrote: post #222

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Mostly due to shock. The shock of their financial sector leaving. The shock of getting pitiful trade negotiating. Being unprepared with anything to offer for negotiating leverage. The domestic identity further polarizing and inability to form consensus.

The shock of being well ahead of the EU on vaccinations?

Broken clocks are right twice a day. Though I agree that involving both the military and the NHS has resulted in being enormously successful at rolling out the vaccine.

Let’s hope that the NHS gets properly funded and doesn’t get privatised. Because the US vaccination rollout is a shambles.

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Post by harperlee »

lanevorockz wrote: post #365
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

The website accept button is not in the GDPR. [EDIT: it's a different law]

GDPR covers way more requirements regarding data management. You need complete control over the lifecycle of sensitive data, exhaustive documentation of data transformations, you have concrete obligations regarding disclosure of incidents, data removal, limitations of for what data is used, user consent management, and the obligation to have people personally liable (which is big, just look at AML regulations to see the effect when not only the fuzzy concept of "the company" is liable).

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Post by azornathogron »

noir_lord wrote: post #120
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #86

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I have many British friends who were absolutely against this, I also know a former boss who was very public about his Brexit vote and like many of those who voted for it, will be too old to have to deal with the consequences of this decision. If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. W…

I was strongly remain, 48% of us where, if the vote had been a year later it could quite easily have been 52/48 the other way. One wonders if remain had one if the leave campaign would have accepted "The vote was clear, put up with it and shut up". I completely understand why EU governments would be absolutely fed up with the UK government though. Sadly my generation (40 and younger) are going to have to live the con…

Don't worry; when you get older you'll become more conservative. And you'll be irritated by all the young folks of that future time who are shouting at you for your bad opinions and ignoring your experience and claiming you should be stripped of your vote, because, after all, you'll be dead soon anyway, so your opinion shouldn't matter.

(I say this with tongue firmly in cheek, but I do think there is some truth to the idea that people broadly get more conservative as they get older)

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Post by aidos »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #369
aidos wrote: post #285

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Ha! Following your analogy ... then you just discover that everyone’s teeth are purple and you’re struggling to concentrate on what they’re saying because it’s distracting. Meanwhile, nobody’s teeth got any cleaner. It’s really just theatre and on balance it makes the internet a crummier experience.

Actually, there's plenty of people with white teeth. Meanwhile, the intent is to avoid the people with purple teeth until they learn to brush responsibly. ;-) (Or if you truly must interact with them: use a lot of ad blockers and privacy tools; because you know what you're getting into)

I'm totally good with there being laws about this as I too want to see less tracking and data sharing. But the implementation is terrible and anybody who thinks that it's fixed anything at all is just kidding themselves.

I would rather bad actors were punished and enforced cookie banners were eliminated.

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Post by dijit »

rob74 wrote: post #198
noir_lord wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was strongly remain, 48% of us where, if the vote had been a year later it could quite easily have been 52/48 the other way. One wonders if remain had one if the leave campaign would have accepted "The vote was clear, put up with it and shut up". I completely understand why EU governments would be absolutely fed up with the UK government though. Sadly my generation (40 and younger) are going to have to live the con…

> 49 and younger voted remain getting more strongly remain as you go younger Yeah, but unfortunately only 64% of the under 35 year olds bothered to turn up, while in the older age groups the turnout was much higher (80% for 35-64, 89% for over 65). That was probably a result of many (including the polls) thinking that the "Leave" side didn't have a chance of winning, same as many US Democrat supporters (also supporte…

The vote was held the same day as Glastonbury, just after university terms ended.

So the students (18-24) that could vote had to be:

A) living with parents during studies, or registered to vote at parents place while not living there full time (illegal) — or! Live full time on their own, which is rarely

and

B) to not go to Glastonbury, one of the largest festivals in the UK for young adults.

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