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UK to depart from GDPR

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by orwin »

aembleton wrote: post #282
gmac wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is indeed a problem, but it is your problem. If 48% of people support anything, there must be some reasons for it. Sure, and I think the most palatable conclusion is that a very large number of people are not well informed. If you look at UK news outlets — what they choose to report, how they choose to report it, and the interests of the people who own them — this doesn't stretch credibility very much. > Also,…

> The UK outside the EU is not. Why not? Australia is smaller and just stood up to them.

Two points here:

1/ You're right, UK is big an rich enough to make them cave a little, and is also speaking english and have a good diplomatic reputation, that will help.

2/ Australia is a weird country and have weird politicians, i don't think any western country could've done the same on their own.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by aembleton »

corobo wrote: post #328
aembleton wrote: post #294

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What did the EU stop the Tory government from stripmining?

Data, did I comment on the wrong thread?

No, I don't think you did.

Why didn't the EU prevent the UK from selling/sharing 1.6 million patient records in 2016? https://www.newscientist.com/article/2086454-revealed-google...

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by lanevorockz »

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

Nice how uneducated people are over here, it's mostly a bunch of californians thinking that they understand what Europe is.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by orwin »

dataduck wrote: post #156
HugoDaniel wrote: post #54

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Mistaking the EU, the political union as an evolved form of the Rome treaty, with Euro, the coin. All that with the tone of absolute certainty and authority. Hacker News has reached new lows :(

Come on, that's not fair. The EEC was a very different beast to today's EU. The modern form of the EU could certainly be argued as starting with the Treaty of Lisbon.

Maastrich yes, Lisbon? It only set into laws stuff that were already existing and done, as well as provisioning for "unexpected stuff" (brexit art 50 was provisioned in the treaty of lisbon i think).

But the treaty of Lisbon changed almost nothing in reality. At least, not enough to warrant the birth of "Modern EU"

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by lanevorockz »

m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

klingon78 wrote: post #297
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #252

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It's actually fairly easy to be GDPR compliant almost by default, TBQH. It either takes a lot of effort or a lot of laziness to somehow end up non-compliant.

Removing or anonymizing PII in a large system not already designed for PII removal or one you don’t have resources to manage can be painful. Companies of all sizes can have a lot of PII and code that’s not GDPR compliant, and it’s non-trivial to fix that. When asked by a user to remove PII, the removal is sometimes incomplete at these companies. Even the process of incompletely the removing PII wastes time; the users…

So you are saying:

* A company is holding PII in a system they don't have the resources to manage .

* The software is insufficiently secure to hold that data.

* The company appears to be even be holding data on people that didn't even do business with the company.

* This is in-part caused by the (sub)hiring of companies that also were not scrupulous with PII in the past.

You say that this hurts said company, and they are going to stop doing that.

I'd say this is the exact intended effect of the law. Not so stupid after all!

Meanwhile, for people who scrupulously and ethically avoided collecting extraneous PII in the first place; I think the GDPR provides no great additional burden.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by petercooper »

arethuza wrote: post #184
simonh wrote: post #128

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For a start the people who actually rule - the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers. When it comes to business leaders, they're as divided as everyone else. A lot of businesses do extensive trade with the EU and stand to lose. The finance industry particularly risks losing a lot of business, although there are some sectors of it that might gain it's mostly through trading on short term volatility. They'll…

"the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers." The Conservatives have a majority and are there any Remainers left in that party - I thought most of them had been purged before the last election?

Many flipped to the "winning" side.

My MP still has posts on her blog about how ardently pro EU she was and how she believed staying in the EU was the best idea. Not long after the referendum and May coming in, she was fully behind Brexit and ready to do whatever it takes. A lot of Tory MPs will just go with the prevailing wind on everything and this is also how they stay in power because being progressive is not a vote winner in a broadly (small c) conservative country.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by varispeed »

Not sure why people treat GDPR as dogmatic ultimate privacy law. This is a bit laughable. The giants violate it as they please and people are now taught to click boxes without reading its contents and agreeing to who knows what. I think the result is quite the opposite of what was intended as it also added few more vectors of attack that didn't exist before. Only advantage I can see is that some services now offer data download. I hope UK will come up with something much better.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

aidos wrote: post #285
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #240

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The cookie law is like those plaque disclosing tablets you can chew to figure out if you are brushing right. If your teeth turn out blighted all blue/purple, you generally don't blame the tablets. ;-)

Ha! Following your analogy ... then you just discover that everyone’s teeth are purple and you’re struggling to concentrate on what they’re saying because it’s distracting. Meanwhile, nobody’s teeth got any cleaner. It’s really just theatre and on balance it makes the internet a crummier experience.

Actually, there's plenty of people with white teeth.

Meanwhile, the intent is to avoid the people with purple teeth until they learn to brush responsibly. ;-)

(Or if you truly must interact with them: use a lot of ad blockers and privacy tools; because you know what you're getting into)

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by romanovcode »

theelous3 wrote: post #72
Blikkentrekker wrote: post #60

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I thought the data could be exported to any country whose laws offer the same level of protection.

You can store it wherever you want, so long as you're in compliance.

This is not true. For example sensitive data for German company must be stored in Germany, not Ireland.
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