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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by imtringued » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 1:56 PM UTC

lanevorockz wrote: post #23

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

The EU as a political union exists a little over a decade, if anything the UK never adapted to it.

I hope this is a typo and you mean to write "The EUR as a monetary union".

The euro is truly an unremarkable currency and I'm not sure that the EU would be much worse without it. It's equally likely that the EU would have done much better without the euro. I can't blame the UK for avoiding the euro.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by imtringued » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 1:58 PM UTC

KingOfCoders wrote: post #117

callamdelaney wrote: post #100

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In terms of economy why not? The USA is equal in GDP to the entire EU, and it seems much more efficient to deal with them, an actual country, than 27 odd countries whom all have their own agenda and are masquerading as one country. Of course it's very fashionable on the internet to shit on brexit. "haha brits be dumb cus independent" - I can only imagine what sort of insecurity you're dealing with about your own coun…

GDP - the most gamed and politicized metric on earth. Battling it out at the top of gamed metrics with unemployment rate. We'll see if this is still the economic "gold standard" to compare countries when China overturns the US in GDP.

He said equal which is fair. After all there are lots of (relatively) poor countries in eastern Europe hat are part of the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by hnlmorg » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 2:00 PM UTC

Nursie wrote: post #343

hnlmorg wrote: post #341

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If you acknowledge the results are not a 100% reliable indicator then there is a margin for error. The key difference is whether you look at it in the context of "This result is reflective of what the majority _want_" or "This result is reflective of what the majority _voted for_" The latter isn't always the same as the former in cases where information isn't clear or where the poll options are too vague. Both of whi…

> If you acknowledge the results are not a 100% reliable indicator But they are a 100% reliable indicator of how people would vote, because they did vote that way. And I'm really not sure it's valid to start second guessing that what people actually wanted is different to that, because you then have to second guess every vote and really, where does thaty leave democracy? > That all said, I don't think there is any wa…

> But they are a 100% reliable indicator of how people would vote, because they did vote that way. And I'm really not sure it's valid to start second guessing that what people actually wanted is different to that, because you then have to second guess every vote and really, where does thaty leave democracy?

Normally I'd agree. But as I said, there were concerns going into the vote that the options were too vague and as a result opinion polls post-referendum showed that a considerable number of people voted for options that didn't support their opinion.

This wasn't a typical poll where you vote for a party to entrust or a narrowly defined set of options. This referendum was vague and poorly defined. In cases where that's been a problem in Europe those respective countries have then responded with second referendum after communicating clearer information, reviewing the poll options and taking other measures to ensure they accurately capture public opinion. Instead the UK called a general election and as a result muddied the conversation even further with topics like education and healthcare.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by sweetdreamerit » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 2:01 PM UTC

thu2111 wrote: post #296

selfhoster11 wrote: post #250

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It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

It is interesting to see that european countries, who have national health systems, tend to have an higher life expectancy than the U.S. [0] Maybe the opportunity to live longer and healthier can be considered a sort of socialist anachronism. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by orwin » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 2:06 PM UTC

thu2111 wrote: post #305

monkey_monkey wrote: post #273

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Using quotes to paraphrase your own interpretation of what OP posted (and then ignoring the last sentence which had more meat) is exactly the kind of low value comment you're talking about.

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I think you're reading way to much into this. Most people don't care. I have a friend from my school that went to work in the UK around 2015, even he doesn't care (he is making a lot of money though thanks to brexit so he only care that the online services equivalence negotiations stay unclear or at least not done after June). We might have cared in 2018, its 2021 now. We are ready, we do have border checks, we do have 3rd party ruling applying to UK resident, a trade agreement.

Also the quotes are from "Blind's man brexit", and if anybody is interested, this is probably the best geopolitical book i've read so far, and it is not at all limited to the four quotes.

The quote about the colony is in the opening, and what's funny is that less than 5 pages later, Barnier complains about the English cherry picking. Is this something that's taught in "public" schools in England?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Viliam1234 » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 2:06 PM UTC

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #86

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

I have many British friends who were absolutely against this, I also know a former boss who was very public about his Brexit vote and like many of those who voted for it, will be too old to have to deal with the consequences of this decision. If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. W…

> If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'.

From my perspective, it's more like "it was inevitable". The people pushing for Brexit would never give up. So the choice was either leave now, or keep talking for the following years/decades/centuries about how the evil EU oppresses the UK, and how everything in UK would be perfect if only...

In some way, it reminds me of dissolution of Czechoslovakia. I was not happy about that either, but realistically, the choice was either do it now, or keep forever listening to voices on both sides about how all problems are caused by the other half and everything would be perfect (though probably disastrous for the other half) if only...

Once you have a major fraction of your population -- and it doesn't make a difference whether it's 48% or 52% -- believing they are being oppressed, it becomes unfalsifiable. Every time something bad happens, you have an explanation ready, and it doesn't matter whether it makes sense or not, believing that it is all someone else's fault is always popular.

If the lesson from Czechoslovakia applies here, at the end none of the prophecies of heaven or hell came true, both sides continue living their boring lives. The only change is that now when something bad happens, this one excuse is no longer available.

So, my guess is that after Brexit, the life in EU will more or less remain the same, and the life in UK will more or less remain the same, with the exception that "everything would be perfect if only EU stopped interfering with our perfect country" will disappear from political speech.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Normille » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 2:07 PM UTC

pydry wrote: post #290

bb123 wrote: post #274

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The idea that U.K. tows the line on US endeavours in a way that countries like Canada and Australia don’t is absurd. Canada and the US share an enormous border and it’s often joked that Canada is like USA-lite. As for Australia - you may be right, as they’re too busy towing China’s line instead. (Although that didn’t stop them going into Vietnam).

The idea that they don't also tow the line IS absurd and I would never claim that. Nonetheless you can measure each country's contribution to the Iraq War as a rough proxy for how much they supplicate. The UK contributed by far the most of the three while Canada's involvement was minimal.

There's fierce a competition amongst many countries of the world to see who can shove their tongue furthest up the USA's arse. The UK may be out in the lead [through sheer long-term dedication to the cause, if nothing else]. But the equally supine devotion of countries like Australia, NZ, Germany, Ireland, Poland, Iceland [and several others] shouldn't be under-estimated.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by dane-pgp » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 2:10 PM UTC

Nursie wrote: post #326

dane-pgp wrote: post #310

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Much of the delay that the EU experienced can be attributed to the stricter scrutiny and liability conditions it applied to the vaccines, and the fact that the UK paid more per dose in order to jump to the front of the queue. If anything, this vindicates the Remainers who claimed that the UK government would become more deregulated and more beholden to corrupt interests. The EU was faced with an almost impossible set…

The UK got a several-week headstart on the EU, announcing various partnerships, particularly with Oxford/AZ, before the EU even began their process. (Yes, I am aware that purchase orders were signed at different times, but the UK secured funding and supplies back in May last year, when the EU didn't begin its process until June) Talking about "queue jumping" or "corruption" really seems to be rooted in bitterness or…

> corruption

Actually I thought I had written "corporate interests", but I guess that was a Freudian slip.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by martin_a » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 2:11 PM UTC

rich_sasha wrote: post #253

martin_a wrote: post #13

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The GDPR sets a pretty straight border for this. No active (this does NOT include "by using this site you accept...") approval = no permission to collect data and give it to third parties. That's the law. But we'll still need some hard work and hefty fines to make everyone obey it.

Right - the law sounds good. But it's not the practice I see on the t'Internet.

Then push it!

I've done this before and there are active cases running with the regulatory offices in Germany.

It's a slow process for sure but it'll get faster and words will spread, that people are using their rights.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by tubularhells » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 2:17 PM UTC

chocmilk wrote: post #295

Nursie wrote: post #289

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> Illegal to perform DIY electrics, e.g. change a plug. ?? As someone moving to Australia in a few months, I feel like this is something I ought to know about... > International travel currently banned. This is the same in many countries, including the UK right now.

Aus is great though, for other reasons.

Care to elaborate?