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The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Sweet. Unsourced claims in a magazine published by the Manhattan Institute. Well I'm convinced. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Manhattan_Instit...

The article references the educational content in question. Did you miss that?

"Redesigning the 11th grade US History course from a critical race theory perspective"

https://www.hw.com/pdf/Anti-RacismatHarvard-Westlake.pdf

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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I've encountered this sort of ideology before in education. My plan is to send my children to Chinese public schools in Shanghai. They will live with relatives. They will obtain a better education, better peers, with none of this article's indoctrination at a cheaper cost. I will not risk my (white) children believing they are inferior to anyone else in academics. I do not trust the American education system to bring…

This sounds really odd. You are going to send your white children to Shanghai so they can learn not to feel inferior to Chinese children? Why would being a minority in a authoritarian communist society make your children feel more secure?

This kind of crap doesn't fly in Asian educational systems. Go to class, do your homework, get an "A" in science and math. Everything else doesn't matter.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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The reaction to this article kind of says it all for me. Right leaning readers seem to accept the claims, although anonymous, because they have experience on the ground that would make them believe such claims. Left leaning readers refuse to accept the claims because they are anonymous and could easily be made up. It's confirmation bias all the way down. I personally tend to lean more on the right here because I went…

The flaw in this line of thinking is that it's unreasonable to suggest this story is 'made up' or 'propaganda'. It's more like: if this is just the experience of a tiny handful of people, well then it's a perspective but it's not important. If it's commonplace, then it's an issue. There were major divisions in the nation in the past - remember that so many rejected desegregation in the 1960's. I think many progressiv…

If you want to find it, you will see racism in America is alive and well. This is what the black lives matter is all about. People may say they agree with MLK, but this is because they know what should be said in public. The actions of society highlight how far we still have to go to fight racism.

I know social conservatives who think they aren't racist but don't care about issues like how many more black people end up in jail than white people. They don't demand justice when police forces overreact to black protests, and don't care when police forces almost don't react (and take selfies instead) to white protests.

After all this, not being able to see how serious racism is in America is one of the better signs you are racist.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that, if what was reported is true, you would find it disturbing? Or are you saying, the source itself is suspect, so you can't believe it? Because I know for a fact this ideology is being pushed hard right now, as ridiculous as it is.

The problem is that the core argument that the article is making isn't whether or not a particular ideology is being taught. Instead it's saying that the ideology is being taught specifically in an exceedingly over the top manner, that the slightest disagreement carries the threat of life altering punishment, and that the situation is characteristic of elite education. Without some sort of verifiable information it i…

Is that really an extraordinary claim? Public figures are “cancelled” all the time. I see no reason why that couldn’t happen on a local level.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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post #41

Sweet. Unsourced claims in a magazine published by the Manhattan Institute. Well I'm convinced. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Manhattan_Instit...

The article references the educational content in question. Did you miss that? "Redesigning the 11th grade US History course from a critical race theory perspective" https://www.hw.com/pdf/Anti-RacismatHarvard-Westlake.pdf

It’s a way of examining things. You know, critical thinking... https://www.edweek.org/leadership/opinion-no-critical-race-t...

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What's most concerning in the article is that people fear for their livelihoods, family, friendship and education if they even /question/ the curriculum and whether it's helping or not. Parents and pupils are AFRAID to be labeled CAPITALISTS? That's nuts. What are they supposed to ID with, Cuba, Venezuela? I cannot find any other comparison more apt than the cultural revolution. The received doctrine was right and an…

I agree with you that it is wrong for people to fear retribution for their political beliefs. However a couple of things to consider:

How is fearing to be labeled a capitalist different than fearing to be labeled a socialist or communist?

I don't think it's fair to imply that the only alternative to being a capitalist is identifying with Cuba or Venezuela.

McCarthyism or, until recently, being labeled LGBTQ seem like apt comparisons. My point being that the right engages in the same sort of behavior when given the chance.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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> Fluency in woke is an effective class marker and key for these princelings to retain status in university and beyond. While i have heard people issue the sentiment of this article, its hard to take anyone seriously when they use the term "woke". The word is only ever used in a derogatory manner, which is a give-away that the author has clear bias and agenda (as opposed to reporting on the parents and opinions thems…

Your comment is illustrative of the issue in the article. No matter what term is adopted here, people like you will use it against them ex-communicate them from the in-group. If "woke" is verboten, please suggest an alternate word for this groupthink phenomena which is aping all the worst aspects of Catholicism (catechisms, original sin, inquisitions, etc.)?

I think that the problem is that Republicans tend to use the terms as bogeymen and catch all straw men to attack the other side (e.g. Antifa, woke, social justice warrior). That creates a situation where, even if the term still could be useful for describing an ideology, it becomes associated with bad faith arguments. If Republicans argued more in good faith then I don't think we would see this phenomena as much.

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It seems to me that a lot of the problem is that there is currently no conservative position on social justice to counterbalance progressive positions. So when people rightly see problems with inequality in America their only option is the progressive position; not matter how radical.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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post #31

What's most concerning in the article is that people fear for their livelihoods, family, friendship and education if they even /question/ the curriculum and whether it's helping or not. Parents and pupils are AFRAID to be labeled CAPITALISTS? That's nuts. What are they supposed to ID with, Cuba, Venezuela? I cannot find any other comparison more apt than the cultural revolution. The received doctrine was right and an…

I agree with you that it is wrong for people to fear retribution for their political beliefs. However a couple of things to consider: How is fearing to be labeled a capitalist different than fearing to be labeled a socialist or communist? I don't think it's fair to imply that the only alternative to being a capitalist is identifying with Cuba or Venezuela. McCarthyism or, until recently, being labeled LGBTQ seem like…

The irony is that is a capitalist institution attended by relatively wealthy people.

It’s like Communists going to indoctrination camp not wanting to be labeled communists themselves. Or lgbt being ashamed of being lgbt. Hence my Cuba reference. If they are ashamed of our economic system does that mean they want a socialist economy like VZ? Note Denmark is capitalist and not socialist.

Also although what mr McCarthy did was akin to today’s cancel culture (mere accusation can lead to job loss) he wasn’t completely wrong in that quite a few of his subjects were communists who wanted sovietism in the USA.

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