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The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Sweet. Unsourced claims in a magazine published by the Manhattan Institute. Well I'm convinced. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Manhattan_Instit...

Are you saying that, if what was reported is true, you would find it disturbing? Or are you saying, the source itself is suspect, so you can't believe it?

Because I know for a fact this ideology is being pushed hard right now, as ridiculous as it is.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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I've encountered this sort of ideology before in education. My plan is to send my children to Chinese public schools in Shanghai. They will live with relatives. They will obtain a better education, better peers, with none of this article's indoctrination at a cheaper cost. I will not risk my (white) children believing they are inferior to anyone else in academics. I do not trust the American education system to bring…

This sounds really odd. You are going to send your white children to Shanghai so they can learn not to feel inferior to Chinese children? Why would being a minority in a authoritarian communist society make your children feel more secure?

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> Fluency in woke is an effective class marker and key for these princelings to retain status in university and beyond.

While i have heard people issue the sentiment of this article, its hard to take anyone seriously when they use the term "woke". The word is only ever used in a derogatory manner, which is a give-away that the author has clear bias and agenda (as opposed to reporting on the parents and opinions themselves).

Not that it matters to anyone here, but "woke" is def not a class-marker.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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post #11

Sweet. Unsourced claims in a magazine published by the Manhattan Institute. Well I'm convinced. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Manhattan_Instit...

Are you saying that, if what was reported is true, you would find it disturbing? Or are you saying, the source itself is suspect, so you can't believe it? Because I know for a fact this ideology is being pushed hard right now, as ridiculous as it is.

The problem is that the core argument that the article is making isn't whether or not a particular ideology is being taught. Instead it's saying that the ideology is being taught specifically in an exceedingly over the top manner, that the slightest disagreement carries the threat of life altering punishment, and that the situation is characteristic of elite education.

Without some sort of verifiable information it is difficult to determine if those arguments are valid. However, as the saying goes "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Sweet. Unsourced claims in a magazine published by the Manhattan Institute. Well I'm convinced. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Manhattan_Instit...

Thank you. I read the first paragraph and my eyes rolled. This must be a American conservative propaganda (the talking points are so trite and boring). Is this where the conservative intelligentsia is at these days? [The woke sjw boogie man is coming to mind control your kid at their elite school, then he will cancel you, they must be stopped at all costs!] Do people really read this trash?

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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post #11

Sweet. Unsourced claims in a magazine published by the Manhattan Institute. Well I'm convinced. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Manhattan_Instit...

Are you saying that, if what was reported is true, you would find it disturbing? Or are you saying, the source itself is suspect, so you can't believe it? Because I know for a fact this ideology is being pushed hard right now, as ridiculous as it is.

>> I know for a fact this ideology is being pushed hard right now

And yet you have ironically failed to furnish evidence. OP rightly observes that the article is riddled with anonymous hearsay, and published by a tax exempt lobbying group. For those who choose to read comments first, here's a taste of what you have to look forward to in the article:

"says one of the fathers(...)'What he has a problem with is a movement that tells his children that America is a bad country and that they bear collective racial guilt. They are making my son feel like a racist because of the pigmentation of his skin' one mother says."

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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> Fluency in woke is an effective class marker and key for these princelings to retain status in university and beyond. While i have heard people issue the sentiment of this article, its hard to take anyone seriously when they use the term "woke". The word is only ever used in a derogatory manner, which is a give-away that the author has clear bias and agenda (as opposed to reporting on the parents and opinions thems…

Your comment is illustrative of the issue in the article. No matter what term is adopted here, people like you will use it against them ex-communicate them from the in-group.

If "woke" is verboten, please suggest an alternate word for this groupthink phenomena which is aping all the worst aspects of Catholicism (catechisms, original sin, inquisitions, etc.)?

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that, if what was reported is true, you would find it disturbing? Or are you saying, the source itself is suspect, so you can't believe it? Because I know for a fact this ideology is being pushed hard right now, as ridiculous as it is.

>> I know for a fact this ideology is being pushed hard right now And yet you have ironically failed to furnish evidence. OP rightly observes that the article is riddled with anonymous hearsay, and published by a tax exempt lobbying group. For those who choose to read comments first, here's a taste of what you have to look forward to in the article: "says one of the fathers(...)'What he has a problem with is a moveme…

> OP rightly observes that the article is riddled with anonymous hearsay, and published by a tax exempt lobbying group

Is the ideology of the Manhattan Institute your problem? Because there are endless left-wing tax exempt "lobbying" groups (aka any nonprofit in America that tries to advocate for policy change), so I'm not sure what groups you can possibly trust given your criteria.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Sweet. Unsourced claims in a magazine published by the Manhattan Institute. Well I'm convinced. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Manhattan_Instit...

I like the sarcasm, it helps.

Source watch is https://www.prwatch.org/

So it's some kind of think-tank proxy war...

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