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Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by Bakary »

vl wrote: post #294
Bakary wrote: post #257

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He's probably quite wealthy and established already. It doesn't strike me as strange that he might burn out on some projects and not feel as motivated to continue as someone with no online profile.

It’s not the point - he should have said “it’s done”, and not leave listeners hanging.

That would involve confronting the end of the podcast, which is the sort of emotional thing that people typically procrastinate on.

It's hard for us to visualize since having such an audience sounds like a responsibility we'd take seriously. But to Grey it's just a small income stream on the side. He doesn't have an actual relationship with the members of the audience, even if the audience might believe otherwise.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that considering the change of perspective is an interesting exercise.

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Post by kevincox »

astura wrote: post #388
AgentME wrote: post #352

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Judging by most podcast ads I've heard, the normal distribution methods are the Google Play store and iTunes.

Idk if anything has changed, but last I knew those are just RSS readers on the backend.

Yes, but the user doesn't have control of what to subscribe to. They can't add a new RSS URL, it needs to be submitted from the creator to these services. I guess the nice thing is that for people who know RSS and have a "full featured" podcast client they can find that backend and subscribe however it isn't really the same as an RSS reader.

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Post by allbedarned »

dang wrote: post #334
dang wrote: post #127

All: please let's try to avoid repeating the generic discussion about how being on someone else's platform leaves you vulnerable to someone else. It's not wrong, of course, but it's been repeated for many years and won't lead to fresh conversation. The goal on HN is curious conversation. Curiosity likes diffs [1], not generics [2, 3]. Try to comment in a way that leads to a new place rather than an old place. The eas…

(This is a stub reply so I can collapse the various comments responding to this, so as not to distract too much from the rest of the thread. Sorry, non-JS users.)

Lolll. Dang is literally cringe. Signed up to reply to him, the message has been moved or deleted loll, so nevermind. Also not sure he realizes that nowadays half the "hn'ers" are just simple redditor; he keeps implying hners are somehow elite lol. Dog we are redditors, you live in your own world dang.

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Post by cmeacham98 »

roenxi wrote: post #344
cmeacham98 wrote: post #322

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I think perhaps you're getting tripped up by the English language, which is understandable because it's annoyingly vague in this context. The words male/female can refer to either gender or biological sex. Gender means what you likely already think it does. Biological sex is what genitalia someone has (or more generally for animals as a whole whether you produce sperm or eggs). I'm not a huge fan of this term because…

It is patently absurd to argue that you can accept someone as a woman and not accept it is obvious that they are feminine enough to compete in women's sports. I don't think I'm the one getting tripped up here. That is just a lot of pretend complexity to justify transphobic beliefs. It just being "facts" that determine your personal social beliefs is exactly the same sort of scientific appeal to justify bigotry that i…

> If you believe someone's genitals determine how they should be treated socially, you are being transphobic. I personally think that is a stupid standard, but that is the standard that has been set for transphobia.

I cannot tell if you're trolling or just intentionally ignoring all the related nuance. You must understand there are some circumstances when it is acceptable to acknowledge that a trans women has a bio male body.

According to this "trans women should always be treated as women in ANY context" opinion what is a doctor to do when a trans women gets prostate cancer? "Sorry, that's a man-only disease, and you're a woman, so it's impossible you have it"???

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Post by TobTobXX »

JProthero wrote: post #199
swlkr wrote: post #150

The ideal platform for something like youtube would be to separate discovery from content. You host the content, and you can pick from UIs/algorithms for the discovery.

This is my view too. I'm hopeful that eventually some combination of technologies that already exist (peer-to-peer sharing, tor, blockchain, homomorphic encryption, maybe even wireless mesh networking) will evolve into a decentralised hosting and delivery system that everyone will use. I'm woefully uninformed to speculate about how feasible this might be though, so it remains just a hope for me.

Peertube is an alternative. You usually host your own instance (or if someone is generous, they can five you some space) and it is fully decentralized. It uses ActivityPub and works with p2p. Recently they introsuced livestreaming and cross-instance search.

https://joinpeertube.org/

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Post by lovegoblin »

alsetmusic wrote: post #271
rtpg wrote: post #221

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I think especially for podcasters in recent years there have been some.... issues with community management. I would say in particular lots of these people started doing "community slacks/discords" and then they realized that being able to produce podcast episodes doesn't make you a good community manager. There's been specific drama with Relay and people around that extended universe as well, so lots of podcast host…

> I think especially for podcasters in recent years there have been some.... issues with community management. A show that I listen to skipped a week during the early stages of the pandemic. I was concerned that one of the hosts was ill / possibly dying. It was some planned thing, like a vacation or something. A little notice would have been nice. Sure, these are strangers and my emotional investment is a bit like te…

> A little notice would have been nice.

Serious question: why? So an episode doesn't show up in your feed one week. I doubt I would even notice in the first place, much less jump to being concerned about the hosts' health or much less jump to feeling put out by the lack of warning.

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Post by holyjaw »

motogpjimbo wrote: post #353
leoc wrote: post #233

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Sebastian and Linus Media Group seem to be pretty frank and open about a lot of this: see for instance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRGBAUz5mA&list=PL8mG-RkN2u... on putting up gurning thumbnails and navigating the YT algorithm (and that whole playlist, including a revenue breakdown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t73wXF8IF-8&list=PL8mG-RkN2u... ), the Gamers Nexus video on LTT's production process https://www.yo…

I wonder how many potential views he loses due to his gurning? I've never watched any of his videos despite YT constantly recommending them to me because I've got a personal rule about never clicking on a thumbnail that has a picture of someone pulling a face or which has a clickbait title.

You're getting a lot of flak for this, but I agree with you and stand by this principle. I have certainly missed out on good content – in the case of LTT, I had some friends convince me it was worth it and they were, of course, right.

But on the other hand, I've saved myself many hours of having clicked through a stupid face thumbnail to some bland algorithmic HeyGuysWhatsUpThisIs-type crap.

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Post by vkou »

monadic8 wrote: post #105
vkou wrote: post #80

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The same can be said for anyone working in the offline entertainment sector. People get blacklisted from Hollywood for upsetting powerful individuals (Weinstein destroyed a lot of careers this way, for a most recent example, before he was sent to prison.) Generally speaking, any industry where your revenue relies on marketing, promotion, or access to exclusive collaboration and distribution networks is going to have…

Yes, these platforms primarily exist to drain revenue from the long tail of unappreciated content. I don't think that's a positive thing.

You've described the internet in a nutshell. Computers make it possible to make money off the long tail, that would have otherwise languished in obscurity.

The alternatives are either a return to syndication, or a transition to some kind of non-market public cultural utility for distributing and promoting my cat videos. Or, we remain in what currently seems to be a local maximum, where distribution and marketing is cheap, but not so cheap that most content creators are doing it themselves.

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Post by leoc »

desiarnezjr wrote: post #263
walrus01 wrote: post #210

> Linus Sebastian Something to understand, for those who might have just seen some youtube videos of him being goofy, is that he's an actor . The guy on camera doing stupid stuff is a stage persona. It's an intentionally cultivated image and media persona to get as many video views as possible. I sort of see him as one possible aspect of the low/medium budget TV production stuff which is common in his home city, Vanc…

Linus learned all of this over the years, and optimized it over time. He's great at it now, but was pretty rough at first -- but he was never an actor, he was a geek that loved technology. He worked for a large computer reseller that gave him lots of resources when he was starting. He actually built this in spite of all the production resources that Vancouver has to offer, and is more a "growth hacker" than actor I'd…

(Perhaps you should ping him just in case he might be interested in dropping in to this HN thread?)

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Post by dang »

lovelyviking wrote: post #321
dang wrote: post #318

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Sorry, but I'm not clear on what downvotes have to do with this. Are you responding to what I said about downweighting? That just means that we lower the subthread's position on the page.

Downvotes hide your opinion if people do not like it. It's not encouraging to write something different if it will be invisible/deleted anyway. And if it's not because it wasn't accurate or good but because some people simply trying to shut up some facts/opinions then it's not encouraging to say something really different This leads to say standard things that you 'know' will be supported.

That's an entirely different topic, but https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... has past explanations about it.
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