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Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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What "wrong" political views are those?

Generally extreme ones. You can be politically on the right and espouse views such as "lower taxes, smaller government, less regulation" but spilling over into racism is what would be termed "wrong". The right are not at risk of being deplatformed,the racist right is.

Even not working for free for someone "against racism" (and/or beign a little religious) is enough these days, like when some people try to cancel Chris Pratt for not doing a fundraising for Biden.

https://www.deseret.com/indepth/2020/10/19/21523754/chris-pr...

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Generally extreme ones. You can be politically on the right and espouse views such as "lower taxes, smaller government, less regulation" but spilling over into racism is what would be termed "wrong". The right are not at risk of being deplatformed,the racist right is.

That is a very narrow view. Take, for example, transgenders in women's sport. Do they have an unfair biological advantage over natural women? Are you a transphobe if you think so? Should you be cancelled and deplatformed if you think so? With so many potentially offensible groups, and with offense definition shifting so often, are you sure that something totally ok now won't deplatform you in 5 years?

The narrow view is the intention I think. They want to “allow right wing views” as long as they are the milk toast “well we just disagree about how much money the government should get, the acceptable options are A LOT and MORE”. When it really gets into it, totally reasonable positions that one side just doesn’t want to hear suddenly become “racist” or “extreme”.

And to the latter part - no. No one ever thinks their views will be the wrong ones. This lack of foresight seems to be a recent thing in my opinion.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Because they are finally learning that all it takes to destroy their business is an algorithm glitch, or having 'wrong' political views, or just falling on the wrong side of an overzealous moderator. When you use someone else's platform you are completely dependent on the owner of the platform, and being dependent on something you don't control is a huge business risk.

No matter what type of small business you are, relying on a single source of revenue is always a massive risk. Youtube is no different in that regard. It's a good idea to diversify if you can.

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More Cloudflare’s right? Because they can drop your DDOS protection or just block you from their DNS lookups, right? Like they did to 4chan/8chan.

If you own a site that has systemic issues with child pornography sharing and other illegal material, you probably deserve it.

I’m not saying that they deserve it or not. I’m just saying the method by which they were brought offline was effective.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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You should always try to have your personal website, as it's almost the only internet asset that you can actually own.

Even then, you're at Google's mercy, since they control search traffic. I run my own website, but 85% of my traffic comes from Google. It's pretty much like getting 85% of your income from a single client.

There are many ways to have inbound traffic visit your site.

If you are reliant on search terms, I can understand, but otherwise, Google does not have control over your domain name resolving to your server’s IP address.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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All: please let's try to avoid repeating the generic discussion about how being on someone else's platform leaves you vulnerable to someone else. It's not wrong, of course, but it's been repeated for many years and won't lead to fresh conversation.

The goal on HN is curious conversation. Curiosity likes diffs [1], not generics [2, 3]. Try to comment in a way that leads to a new place rather than an old place.

The easiest way to do this is to respond to the specific new information in an article. As a nudge in that direction, I've swapped a different interrogative pronoun into the title, and have downweighted the generic subthreads which were rising to the top like bloated balloons and crowding out more interesting discussion (as typically happens in these cases).

You don't only have to react to the specific new information in an article. Whimsical tangents and reactions are also ok. Just ask yourself if it's expected or unexpected [4], and prefer the unexpected.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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post #90

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Apparently, in the case of Parler, believing that you should allow users to post any legal content without moderation. (I know they didn't lose their domain, but the effect of being denied hosting is functionally the same.)

Isn't AWS's claim that parlar was hosting illegal content? Regardless, they signed a contract detailing what they could and could not host on aws. They broke it. Its not like they were unaware of the requirements. Moral of the story, if you promise X, dont promise someone else Y if X and Y conflict. You are going to be breaking your word ine way or another.

If strictly hosting illegal content / being slow to remove it means you should be booted from AWS then how on earth is Twitter still using AWS?

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Floatplane as explained by Linus doesn't make sense, you support a creator by getting videos a little earlier. The cost of building and maintaining a platform like that must be large and seems unnecessary for what is essentially video Patreon. What is sad is that you see youtubers talking in code on videos, not saying words, self censoring because youtube's detection is so good, videos get demonetised instantly. This…

> Floatplane as explained by Linus doesn't make sense, you support a creator by getting videos a little earlier.

You support creators by giving them money. In return for supporting a creator you get video content in return. Floatplane as a platform for the most part doesn't dictate what that content is other than it being in the format of a video.

LTT themselves have actually been moving away from pushing videos early to Floatplane and more towards giving unique video content on Floatplane such as behind the scenes videos.

You run into issues with promising videos early to only part of your community. For example when you have review embargos and want to make drop a video at the same time as every other YouTuber,

> The cost of building and maintaining a platform like that must be large

It isn't that crazy really. Unlike YouTube which streams most of it's video for free and has to recover that cost via ads, every person streaming on Floatplane has paid money to stream that content.

Floatplane has been scaling slowly which has allowed them to stay on baremetal instead of going to the cloud. They don't need a lot of the advantages the cloud has, such as the ability to scale on demand. This isn't your normal unicorn startup from silicon valley that needs hyper growth to attract more investors for an eventual IPO or buyout.

Linus and Luke are putting their own money into it because they want to have a fallback incase YouTube pulls the plug on them. They are not taking lots of investment to try and build a YouTube competitor.

Their costs are actually really reasonable. They have a much better profit sharing model with other creators than YouTube does. They recognize that they have a base line cost for a given creator, that is the cost of storing the video and processing it for example. Then they have a cost per user of that content. This may have changed but their model was recover that base line cost from the subscriptions and then take a much lower cut afterwards. So from a creators point of view you get more value as your scale the number of users from your community on the site.

> seems unnecessary for what is essentially video Patreon.

Eh, maybe. It does however let them focus very much on that video aspect and provide users with a solid experience dedicated to videos. I imagine over time they will add more features to Floatplane that help differentiate it.

One example of that is live streams. If you want to live stream to your Patreon members they suggest you use Crowdcast, something you have to pay for separately (https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002973506-M...).

Floatplane supports live streaming.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently, in the case of Parler, believing that you should allow users to post any legal content without moderation. (I know they didn't lose their domain, but the effect of being denied hosting is functionally the same.)

The problem, as I understand it was not the posting of legal content but the fact it wasn't moderated meant there was borderline stuff, calls for specific people to be killed etc, that were the key factor in them losing hosting.

And there aren't such things on Facebook or Twitter, that in fact never get taken down despite multiple complaints?
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