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Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by dang » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:23 AM UTC

joelthelion wrote: post #328

dang wrote: post #334

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Have you considered something like [ROBOT 9000]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Munroe#Other_projects ) for HN? Not perfect, but it could be fun and a nice reminder to stay original.

> temporarily muting users who send messages that are identical to a message that has been sent to the channel before

We already check for strict duplicates but that's so strict a test that basically no post passes it. What would be needed is software to group the repetitive posts into equivalence classes but exempt the posts that are on the same topics but add some original twist. That seems hard for software! even with modern AI. I'd love to be proven wrong though. If anyone wants to take a crack at it, the data is all public.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by t0astbread » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:26 AM UTC

strogonoff wrote: post #285

t0astbread wrote: post #283

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Vimeo (if I'm not mistaken) offers a plan where you pay them to host your videos and they don't roll any ads on them.

That’d be a great feature compared to the majority of platforms. The big question would be whether they force recommendations from other channels elsewhere on the page or at the end of a video.

Just checked on Andrew Kelly's channel (https://vimeo.com/andrewrk) and no, it really does look like you get a space of your own.

Which makes sense given that show reels / corporate marketing videos appears to be what Vimeo is focusing on.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by input_sh » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:28 AM UTC

loudmax wrote: post #141

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #59

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Besides FloatPlane, other streaming websites that educational channels upload content to are nebula [1] and I think curiosity stream [2]. [1] https://watchnebula.com/ [2] https://curiositystream.com/

I got a subscription to Curiosity Stream with Nebula bundled in. While Curiosity Stream has original content, as far as I can tell all of the Nebula stuff is also available on YouTube. So as a Nebula customer the only real benefit is watching content without ads. This is well and good, but ads aside, Youtube is simply a more convenient platform. There's less outright garbage on Nebula, and that's a good thing because…

Definitely not all of it: https://watchnebula.com/videos?category=originals

There are completely original series that are not on YouTube at all: game shows hosted by Tom Scott and Sam from Wendover, some car-testing series (pre-Covid) that I'm not into, a zoomer discovering pop culture from 90s/early 00s, some interviews, a giant history series on the fall of Berlin, and plenty of one-off videos from individual creators that are not on YouTube (example: "PornHub's surprising carbon footprint" would never go good on YouTube).

Then there's usually an additional few scenes on videos you'll find on YouTube.

I also have a CuriosityStream + Nebula bundle, but I rarely watch anything on CS. I can't point my finger into anything particular I don't like about its content, I just don't watch it that much.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by dang » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:31 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #127

All: please let's try to avoid repeating the generic discussion about how being on someone else's platform leaves you vulnerable to someone else. It's not wrong, of course, but it's been repeated for many years and won't lead to fresh conversation. The goal on HN is curious conversation. Curiosity likes diffs [1], not generics [2, 3]. Try to comment in a way that leads to a new place rather than an old place. The eas…

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Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by ddorian43 » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:40 AM UTC

kiwidrew wrote: post #205

simias wrote: post #151

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It's just incredibly hard to compete with Youtube. In a way that's Google's greatest achievement: they convinced everybody that they're entitled to host and stream 4K videos forever not only for free, but the creators get a share of the ad revenue despite fronting none of the hosting costs. It's an incredibly good deal. The amount of infrastructure and human resources required to merely keep a system like Youtube run…

With the major cloud providers charging upwards of $0.10 per GB of outbound traffic, it's no wonder that few even attempt to compete with Youtube.

The real cost of a CDN, is, $0.5 TB, probably even lower (EU/US regions). If you want to build a competitor you need to build the CDN yourself.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by ddorian43 » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:48 AM UTC

teh_klev wrote: post #104

scrose wrote: post #23

I can’t help but wonder why services like Vimeo don’t come up more often when getting off of YouTube? It seems like Vimeo offers similar functionality already. Is there something about it that I’m missing / is it just not cool for content creators?

I think the problem is that once you get to a certain volume of content it becomes eye wateringly expensive on Vimeo. Louis Rossmann explained this in a couple of his videos (I never bookmarked them). Even if he were to push just his repair videos (i.e. not including his opinion pieces) he'd fall into into a whole other universe of cost.

Vimeo hosts the storage on google cloud. It pays 100x what youtube does for storage. The same for bandwidth, hosts on Fastly. Pays 100x+ there too for cdn compared to youtube.

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Post by Cu3PO42 » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:49 AM UTC

Zak wrote: post #229

TulliusCicero wrote: post #213

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> Floatplane as a platform for the most part doesn't dictate what that content is other than it being in the format of a video. Do they allow, say, porn, or white nationalist videos? I'm always curious exactly where platforms set the bounds.

Porn and hate speech are specifically proscribed in their TOS. https://www.floatplane.com/legal/terms

I seem to recall them explaining that porn is only banned because they might otherwise get in trouble with their payment processors.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by kodah » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:50 AM UTC

Personally, I think the way to end centralization is to introduce enough viable options that are willing to cohabitate and even cooperate. These viable alternatives can't be interested in total dominance and probably need to have agreements that allow transfer of content and data. Personally hosted sites backed by centrally maintained software is a logical choice if you can optimize for the lack of bandwidth sharing economy. If my hypothesis is true, then this is the tide turning in video sharing, though the tide may be a long tide.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by aikinai » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:53 AM UTC

zpeti wrote: post #326

simias wrote: post #151

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It's just incredibly hard to compete with Youtube. In a way that's Google's greatest achievement: they convinced everybody that they're entitled to host and stream 4K videos forever not only for free, but the creators get a share of the ad revenue despite fronting none of the hosting costs. It's an incredibly good deal. The amount of infrastructure and human resources required to merely keep a system like Youtube run…

Please everyone don’t forget google search positioning too. This is massive. Google have pushed YouTube into their search for a long time, basically building YouTube doing it. That brought insane traffic to YouTube videos and makes YouTube the place for videos. THIS is the antitrust of google, and where authorities should strike them. They built a video platform and destroyed others using their 90% market power in an…

How are you so sure the videos are at the top of Google results because they're artificially pushing YouTube and not just because that's where the relevant/popular videos are?

Actually I find Google video search is still the best place to find non-YouTube videos. Of course YouTube dominates if the content is there, but when it's not, Google is still great at returning relevant results on tons of other sites.

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Post by philjohn » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:54 AM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #210

> Linus Sebastian Something to understand, for those who might have just seen some youtube videos of him being goofy, is that he's an actor . The guy on camera doing stupid stuff is a stage persona. It's an intentionally cultivated image and media persona to get as many video views as possible. I sort of see him as one possible aspect of the low/medium budget TV production stuff which is common in his home city, Vanc…

Linus Tech Tips is essentially the "Top Gear of Tech" - it's over the top, hammed up, but eminently watchable and there are plenty of nuggets of useful information.