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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by tux1968 »

PurpleFoxy wrote: post #290
ahthat wrote: post #285

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I think people are confusing the notion of being a secretary and having sex with your boss with the idea that it is inherently wrong for superiors to use their workplace capital to exploit those who work under them. It is completely correct that the latter idea is exploitative; however, if a woman is a secretary and is also arranged to have sex with her boss via her job description, and she consents to this when acce…

What about when all of the unfilled job listings include this requirement? The only way I can see prostitution as ethical is if someone can choose to have no job and be fairly comfortable.

I get what you're saying and think that's a pretty reasonable view. But why do we see having to use your brain to earn a living, or use your muscles to earn a living as any less exploitative? Why is any job ethical unless someone can choose to have no job and be fairly comfortable? Either way, you're essentially forced to do something you'd otherwise not do.

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Post by JimBlackwood »

leveleer323 wrote: post #340
airhead969 wrote: post #325

Fuck all that mass-media social programming propaganda. Murder and violence are "okay," while sex and sexuality are "bad." I'll walk around naked, look at women, and hookup whenever I damn well please. Sex is awesome, bodies are beautiful, and no shame is necessary for either. Films that cannot be made in modern America: - Laura, les ombres de l'été (1979) - Lolita (either) - Pretty Baby (1978) - Caligula (1979) - Ro…

I agree with the gist of the post expect walking around naked. I don't know if its a right thing to be naked around children. I am too biased to be brought up growing with clothes on, haven't thought or heard the argument of the other side.

Kids don’t know if something is good, bad, weird or whatever until they’re told. If you are fine not wearing clothes, and do it in your home, your kids wont think anything of it.

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Post by lstodd »

elefanten wrote: post #108
treis wrote: post #78

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How does Game of Thrones fit into your theory?

It's not a mass market film? Relatively mass market television series, but there's like 40 times as much run time as a full length movie.

What has run time have to do with it?

It's either accepted, liked, whatever. Or not.

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Post by z3phyr »

Const-me wrote: post #156
hirundo wrote: post #35

Is this a side effect of normalizing porn, that sexuality is more effectively partitioned? I once had a debate in an online forum about legalizing prostitution, and most participants were supportive of it. Then I asked the same group, what about legalizing partial prostitution, like a receptionist that also has sex with the boss as part of the job description. The participants all immediately switched to revulsion at…

> why is 100% sex work less exploitative than 50% sex work? I oppose receptionist that also has sex with the boss. Exploitation has nothing to do with that. At least in my world view, having sex at workplace is unprofessional. First of all, spending corporate or investor's money on paying sex workers is wrong. Even if the boss is the sole owner of the company i.e. spending their own money, boss fucking a receptionist…

Did you just assume that the receptionist is going to be female?

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Post by ttt0 »

matt-attack wrote: post #348
leveleer323 wrote: post #340

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I agree with the gist of the post expect walking around naked. I don't know if its a right thing to be naked around children. I am too biased to be brought up growing with clothes on, haven't thought or heard the argument of the other side.

I can assure you that kids raised around parents who are naked constantly is perfectly normal and healthy. I was raised in the 70s and my parents were constantly naked. We all sat in the backyard hot tub naked. Not a thought was given to it. I now do the same to my kids. The key is to do it from day one, so there is never that first memory of “when did you first see your parents naked”. There is no first because it’s…

> Not a thought was given to it.

Because you don't look at your family in a sexual way. Similarly in Renaissance, for example, we had some nudity going on in art, but it was done in a tasteful and non-sexual fashion. That's different from outright pornography or erotica, which is what children should not be exposed to.

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Post by minkowski »

astrange wrote: post #217
ziml77 wrote: post #154

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It's disturbing to me that people think population must keep growing. If anything the world could stand to LOSE a significant portion of the population. Resources would be far less strained. If we built our economies on the expectation of continued population growth, then that just means there was a MASSIVE lack of forethought. But that doesn't mean the solution is to start pumping out more kids. Instead we adapt how…

This policy is called degrowth (or ecofascism) and it's not true. Resources were used far more inefficiently and many of them were used more in absolute terms when the population was smaller. It's even possible that we need this many people to do the scientific research needed to use things more efficiently. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-10-23/econom...

Identifying degrowth with ecofascism isn't accurate.

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Post by bongoman37 »

throwaway198919 wrote: post #238
throway98752343 wrote: post #96

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The youngest millennials are around 25 years old. Changing your "not sexually active" situation will take putting yourself out there a lot, lowering your standards (you can raise them later), being open to meeting all sorts and getting rejected a lot. You'll certainly gain entertaining stories, and you'll probably meet some new friends, possibly one or more lovers and one of them may become a romantic partner if that…

I'm not OP but I'm not sexually active either and share the same worries and am probably a few years older than him. Thanks for sharing those videos, even though I was able to make that physique/style/life control transformation several times (get fit -> fall into a hole -> get fit again, rinse and repeat) during my 20s, this pandemic made me fall into a rut and I'm heavily struggling to stay on the right track that…

Do change your therapist, women find it very hard to see how frustrating lack of a sex life can be unless they themselves have been in a similar situation and most haven't. When I've complained about lack of sex to female friends, they've often said what's stopping you from installing Tinder, they are really oblivious to how different the experience can be for men and women there. If she's dismissing it, its unlikely to improves. Moreover, personally, one can be really good at social stuff but completely not make headway in sexual stuff, and then you've lost a year and are nowhere near where you would like to be.

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Post by [deleted] »

injidup wrote: post #322

Seriously? Selective sampling and click bait. Two recent programs come to mind and I'm sure this list is not exhaustive. "The boys" and "Orville". Both chock full of "heroes" who in-between being heroes are preoccupied with banging each other, getting drunk, eating or failing themselves. The last episode of "The Boys" ends with Homelander jerking off while perched on a ledge over the city and raging at the unfairness…

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Post by mpfundstein »

fogihujy wrote: post #339
prox wrote: post #328

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Some parts of Europe have a sauna culture, and not uncommon to go with friends (m/f)

It's probably a part of it. People rarely associate nudity with sex when in a sauna -- it's simply too hot. :D

60 degs sauna are perfect for some hot games ;-)

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Post by morsch »

throwaway8581 wrote: post #345
airhead969 wrote: post #325

Fuck all that mass-media social programming propaganda. Murder and violence are "okay," while sex and sexuality are "bad." I'll walk around naked, look at women, and hookup whenever I damn well please. Sex is awesome, bodies are beautiful, and no shame is necessary for either. Films that cannot be made in modern America: - Laura, les ombres de l'été (1979) - Lolita (either) - Pretty Baby (1978) - Caligula (1979) - Ro…

Sex is not harmless. While it is one of the great human joys, it is also the source of some of our deepest despairs, intractable conflicts, and personal tragedies. This free-for-all free love ethic that you celebrate, which erased almost all of the previous social restrictions on sex, inevitably created the discontent that boiled over into the #metoo phenomenon. It is also fueling the growing incel phenomenon. It is…

Sex is not harmless. While it is one of the great human joys, it is also the source of some of our deepest despairs, intractable conflicts, and personal tragedies.

A grand, sweeping statement that's true for quite a few things (wine, fashion, love, child rearing, freedom, your home). All the while nobody claimed that sex is harmless. Whatever that means.

This free-for-all free love ethic that you celebrate, which erased almost all of the previous social restrictions on sex, inevitably created the discontent that boiled over into the #metoo phenomenon.

You think that Western attitudes towards sexuality of the second half of the 20th century caused sexual harrassment and rape, or you think it empowered women to talk about and fight against it? There's plenty of evidence for the latter; rape within a marriage was legal until the 70s.

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