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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by aksss »

notsureaboutpg wrote: post #226
Clewza313 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And sadly the next/upcoming big market, India, isn't any better than China when it comes to censorship.

I'm actually okay with this. I only watch movies with my family and I'm sick of having to pass up on actually interesting movies because they're excessively vulgar. If there was a service I could pay to censor movies for me, I would.

Yeah, I actually prefer a minimal sex scene (conveying the idea that it happened) to the explicit and lengthy stuff in your average HBO mini-series. Even less tolerant of sexual violence and torture. When I think of how many fake rapes I’ve witnessed/mentally onboarded via cinema/tv it makes me throw up a bit.

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Post by injidup »

Seriously? Selective sampling and click bait.

Two recent programs come to mind and I'm sure this list is not exhaustive. "The boys" and "Orville". Both chock full of "heroes" who in-between being heroes are preoccupied with banging each other, getting drunk, eating or failing themselves. The last episode of "The Boys" ends with Homelander jerking off while perched on a ledge over the city and raging at the unfairness of life. It's certainly a comment on the blandness of the Marvel universe and Orville is a superior and cutting rip off of Star Trek which has become bland and inoffensive in it's latest incarnations. Orville cuts pretty close to the limit for whatever rating it has. The two "gay" aliens and the holodeck porn episode come to mind. It was done fairly well. Stressed out officer on a star ship gets a holodeck porn addiction and is no longer able to relate to or face his life partners demands for attention. It's not heroic and not glorious but relatively human. Orville's officers like to fuck. They order booze from the matter synthesizers and they get depressed and do stupid things. Of course it is still "star trek" and there are always happy endings and everybody learns a lesson at the end. It doesn't drift too far from the genre.

However the article takes a selective slice of current cinematic culture and tries to pretend there are no other options out there whilst at the same time looking back at 80's and 90's cinema as if it was the age of body positive cinema.

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Post by roenxi »

hirundo wrote: post #35

Is this a side effect of normalizing porn, that sexuality is more effectively partitioned? I once had a debate in an online forum about legalizing prostitution, and most participants were supportive of it. Then I asked the same group, what about legalizing partial prostitution, like a receptionist that also has sex with the boss as part of the job description. The participants all immediately switched to revulsion at…

Is it the exploitation or is it the idea of it being a normalised part of workplace culture?

I'm in favour of fully legalised prostitution, but I don't want to be personally exposed to it in any capacity. I want the workplace to be about work. I don't want my money wasted arresting people for having sex.

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Post by airhead969 »

Fuck all that mass-media social programming propaganda. Murder and violence are "okay," while sex and sexuality are "bad."

I'll walk around naked, look at women, and hookup whenever I damn well please. Sex is awesome, bodies are beautiful, and no shame is necessary for either.

Films that cannot be made in modern America:

- Laura, les ombres de l'été (1979)

- Lolita (either)

- Pretty Baby (1978)

- Caligula (1979)

- Rocky Horror Picture Show

- Monty Python and The Holy Grail

- Nymphomaniac I or II

Partially, there is great sanitization of Western films to be accepted by foreign censors.

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Post by dmoy »

_v7gu wrote: post #308
Sebb767 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Game of Thrones is/was very popular despite featuring all of these (maybe except pedophilia)

How old was Danearys at the start?

13 in the books. I guess they probably bumped that age up in the tv show?

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Post by aksss »

miserablegit wrote: post #66
EdwardDiego wrote: post #14

I think this is why British crime dramas / police procedurals seem to feel more real (to me, raised in a post-colonial country) - very few people look like temporarily financially embarrassed models slumming it as detectives.

Eh, kinda. Luther? Sherlock? Global sex-symbol superstars right there. The same forces at play in Hollywood are at work in London, it's just that the best-looking ones move out to California as well.

Ha, I’ve never thought of Benedict Cumberbatch as good looking, just odd looking, like the Snitznoodle from Raggedy Anne & Andy.[0]

The BBC version from the eighties had actors more in keeping, I think.

[0]https://images.app.goo.gl/8XzUfBBE9RduB6Qj7

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Post by prox »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #111
croes wrote: post #90

Her take on the Starship troopers shower scene seems to be an american point of view. Nudity in an unisex shower isn't about flirting and sex for a european. Paul Verhoeven was naked too while filming it, because the actors felt uncomfortable at first.

I'm not american (Nor european) but I would still be extremely uncomfortable in an all-male shower let alone a unisex shower. I'm curious what you think the reasons that nudity is not as big of a deal to Europeans are.

Some parts of Europe have a sauna culture, and not uncommon to go with friends (m/f)

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Post by meheleventyone »

hirundo wrote: post #35

Is this a side effect of normalizing porn, that sexuality is more effectively partitioned? I once had a debate in an online forum about legalizing prostitution, and most participants were supportive of it. Then I asked the same group, what about legalizing partial prostitution, like a receptionist that also has sex with the boss as part of the job description. The participants all immediately switched to revulsion at…

No ones bought it up but to me it seems an issue of of coercion and consent. Even if prostitution was 100% legal it should absolutely be up to the prostitute on a case by case basis when, where, who and how they had paid sex. On that basis your boss who inherently has power over you being able to ask for sex is to close to exploitation and easy to see how it can be abused. We should note this abuse is already all too common in non-sex roles.

I also think this applies to full time sex worker positions if there was an “and you’ve got to fuck your boss” contract clause.

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Post by mavhc »

scruple wrote: post #313
ipaddr wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At my salary I would welcome serving coffee while everyone is in the standup.

A quote that I picked up from my grandfather, "They pay me the same no matter what they've got me doing."

I'd rather be doing something that will lead me to get paid more in the future, learning new skills
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