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Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by tim333 »

refenestrator wrote: post #10
bushbaba wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The us let’s Chinese firms generally speaking full access to the us market. The CCP doesn’t allow the us companies the same. Why our government let that happen. Letting so much business leave to the CCP will be one of the greatest failings of the us government.

Because we're arrogant. We thought that if we go down the road we went down, they'd naturally settle into their proper place as manufactory for the West without wanting a seat at the table. Now they're a global power and, gasp, they act like one. Nobody could have seen this coming.

They were also trending towards being a relatively benevolent modern country under Deng Xiaoping when many restrictions were dropped. It's a bit unfortunate that under the present guy they seem to be returning to a Maoist dictatorship and I guess will stay that way for quite a while.

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Post by tim333 »

vgchh wrote: post #122
mc32 wrote: post #3

Somewhat recently a head of Microsoft was asked about forgoing access to the Chinese market if it meant protecting American interests in the face of new threats. He unequivocally said, yes. He was willing to forgo their market. I'm not sure Apple and others who either sell product there or have large manufacturing there are as willing to forgo the 'promise market', but it looks more and more we will have to. More or…

Increasingly, companies like Tesla also need to figure out how they will adjust to an adversarial China and the corresponding shift in Geopolitical reality. I remember reading that China may derive 40% of its revenues from Chinese market soon. Also wonder if this is already priced into Tesla's stock. That being said, I am also sure Elon and Co. are not sitting idle and twiddling their thumbs. In any case, it will be…

Tesla seem to have maybe sensibly kept their Chinese operations largely separate.

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Post by YaSamPoSebe »

karaterobot wrote: post #178

Is there an English language website that tracks (ostensibly) state-sponsored hacks throughout the globe? I hear about Western targets getting hacked by Russian and Chinese actors, but other than big things like stuxnet, I almost never hear about what's going on in the other direction. Or about attacks that have nothing to do with the U.S. one way or the other.

Only an american or a brit would believe that most of "state sponsored hacks" come from China, Russia or North Korea (:) :) :)).

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Post by pja »

Udik wrote: post #210
kortilla wrote: post #173

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> hatred for the Chinese The equivocation of hatred for the Chinese and hatred for it’s government is itself Chinese government propaganda. Any time criticism comes up of the actions of their government, the deflection method is to say it’s just hatred for the Chinese. This is done to prevent the Chinese people from realizing that people in the West are on their side and they are not their government.

The overwhelming majority of Chinese people stand by their government, with levels of approval and satisfaction way higher than Americans' for theirs (95% vs 38%) [1] All this talk of "the CCP" is just a very thin veil of self-deception, allowing you to pretend that you are "on the same side" of the Chinese people. You're not. The best future for China is to become the dominant world power, and you don't want that in…

Do you really think it's safe to give an honest negative answer when asked your opinion of the CCCP in China?

Personally I doubt it, and I imagine that the average Chinese citizen understands this reality very well indeed as they give their positive answers to the nice poll agent with the sincerest smile they can muster.

Everyone knows how the game is played.

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Post by tim333 »

rorykoehler wrote: post #28
1996 wrote: post #11

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> He won't. He is just the face of the same old thinking that brought us here. Just like all of his predecessors in last 40 years. And it's a good thing. Only Trump was bold enough to entertain the idea of a commercial war with China. I live in the US, but I don't want that. I want peace and freedom. China and the US are natural allies given the complementarity of the industries. Let's make peace not war.

China needs a new political system before we can talk about anyone being their allies. The CCP have made it clear they are only interested in total power.

They could be more easy going without actually dropping the CCP. Vietnam for example is being quite easy going in spite of still having their communist party.

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Post by Udik »

pja wrote: post #214
Udik wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The overwhelming majority of Chinese people stand by their government, with levels of approval and satisfaction way higher than Americans' for theirs (95% vs 38%) [1] All this talk of "the CCP" is just a very thin veil of self-deception, allowing you to pretend that you are "on the same side" of the Chinese people. You're not. The best future for China is to become the dominant world power, and you don't want that in…

Do you really think it's safe to give an honest negative answer when asked your opinion of the CCCP in China? Personally I doubt it, and I imagine that the average Chinese citizen understands this reality very well indeed as they give their positive answers to the nice poll agent with the sincerest smile they can muster. Everyone knows how the game is played.

Do you really think the people involved in this 13 year survey are so stupid they didn't think of the issue you could identify in a good 5 seconds of thinking before writing your comment?

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Post by rorykoehler »

tim333 wrote: post #215
rorykoehler wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China needs a new political system before we can talk about anyone being their allies. The CCP have made it clear they are only interested in total power.

They could be more easy going without actually dropping the CCP. Vietnam for example is being quite easy going in spite of still having their communist party.

I have nothing against Communist parties (though I disagree with any philosophy that requires authoritarianism to enforce it, I still believe that Communists become Communists mostly with good intentions) and I agree they could evolve but the CCP has a culture problem. They are currently incapable of changing this from within through negotiation and are instead doubling down on it (see Xi's President for life vote for example). Any change in the CCP will come from within but if it happens in the next decade I can't see it being an evolution.

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Post by BelenusMordred »

bushbaba wrote: post #6
mc32 wrote: post #3

Somewhat recently a head of Microsoft was asked about forgoing access to the Chinese market if it meant protecting American interests in the face of new threats. He unequivocally said, yes. He was willing to forgo their market. I'm not sure Apple and others who either sell product there or have large manufacturing there are as willing to forgo the 'promise market', but it looks more and more we will have to. More or…

The us let’s Chinese firms generally speaking full access to the us market. The CCP doesn’t allow the us companies the same. Why our government let that happen. Letting so much business leave to the CCP will be one of the greatest failings of the us government.

> The CCP doesn’t allow the us companies the same.

Many of the biggest companies in China are from the US. This is a Fox News tier talking point that gets mindlessly parroted without any logical scrutiny.

Hundreds of billions are earnt yearly by US domiciled companies. Google alone brings in $50 billion from China to the US and they have been "banned" there for years.

Some others: Nike, Intel, GM, Walmart, Coke, KFC, McDonalds, Proctor and Gamble, Qualcom, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, 3M, Texas Instruments, Starbucks, Nvidia, AMD, the list goes on and is extensive.

Starbucks has around 70% marketshare. Have any of the people commenting here even step foot inside China before making comments like "US companies can't compete there"?

Who exactly in the us(sic) is locked out again? Garbage social media companies like Facebook and Twitter? Who cares? The world in general needs less of them.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

f1refly wrote: post #204
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #120

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[citation needed]

Snowden proofed that allright

>They are effective tools the government will keep close to the chest

Insinuates some grand conspiracy. Part I take issue with.

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