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Post by dgellow »

vijayr02 wrote: post #145
dgellow wrote: post #40

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A few speculative ideas/thoughts: - The US needs access to China's goods to be viable. For half a century US companies improved their efficiency/competitiveness by moving their process to China. They now have too many dependencies in the form of Chinese manufacturing and development capabilities and do not have the skills/knowledge/talents/infrastructure in the US. Because of this China can dictate their rules with z…

> China owns more than 1 trillion of US debt. In the past the country bought a massive amount of US debt to inflate USD vs RMB and boost their own economy...If the US blocks them they may start massively selling US debt, which would impact USD and the US economy. I think you have this backwards. China bought US treasuries to weaken their currency and increase demand for their goods. If they now sell, they will face s…

That’s what I mean, yes. I don’t see the difference between my comment and yours.

I was answering to someone talking about cutting China off the US market (or at minimum adding strong restrictions). In that situation China’s economy is already suffering.

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Post by smolder »

chrischen wrote: post #141
cameronh90 wrote: post #15

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Is anyone really of the view that most Chinese are evil? I don't think that's what calling them a hostile nation is meant to mean. The problem is that the Chinese government, who ARE hostile, take advantage of the fact that we treat most Chinese as non-hostile. Nobody knows how many Chinese students and workers in the West are essentially spies for the Chinese government, but we do know it is enough to be worried abo…

If you believe that most Chinese citizens are in support of their government then calling the government evil is an indirect attack on them. If you don’t believe the Chinese support their government then that’s an entirely different topic you may have to educate yourself on.

Yes, I'm sure every workers' love of the CCP is genuine... Actually, their outward support is partly a function of how well the government treats them and partly a function of pressure to conform, of which there is quite a lot in China.

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Post by __m »

sexy_seedbox wrote: post #172
e40 wrote: post #52

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I love the world we live in: everyone has an opinion on severely complex matters and proffers it in an absolutely confident way that their opinion is the truth. I don't like China's behavior (toward us and it's own). I don't believe for a minute that I know how to solve the problem, because every solution is bound to have unintended side effects, some which may be worse than the original problem.

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Too busy killing muslims in the middle east

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Post by f1refly »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #120
Datagenerator wrote: post #83

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Microsoft and Google provide the government access to most homes and businesses. They are effective tools the government will keep close to the chest. Each and every keyboard input gets collected as technical telemetry data. It's the global version of the more upfront Workplace Analytics your empowered employer is scanning constantly as dwellers in shadows. All parties play Good cop Bad cop but are eating the fruits…

[citation needed]

Snowden proofed that allright

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Post by YaSamPoSebe »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #180
pjc50 wrote: post #134

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It's a funny kind of losing. It looks more like "not totally dominant" to me, which may be confused with losing by people who've not experienced that. What has the US really lost ? No territory, no people; there's no stream of refugees to the "winning" Chinese side.

We just got done dealing with four years of leadership by a (possibly unwitting) agent of a foreign power, installed with the help of holes in our IT infrastructure. Our sovereignty and capacity for effective self-governance are severely compromised, at this point. That's more important than loss of territory or people, in the long run.

You are insane. As the rest of russiagaters.

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

zepto wrote: post #155
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #137

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Of course the nation as a community of people in 1b also includes the government, but you can hardly say the nation understood in this sense is hostile. What you can say is that the government is hostile - we have proofs of that. We can also say that some minuscule percentage of the population is hostile - we can see some evidence of that. But to say that a nation is hostile is really crossing a red (no pun intended)…

> but you can hardly say the nation understood in this sense is hostile I don’t see how you can make this claim so strongly. The government is not independent of the people even if it is authoritarian. Any hostility enacted by the government will necessarily involve the people. Governments need people in order to do anything . A government without people can speak hostile words, but can’t be hostile, because by defin…

What you say is of course true of democracy, but has nothing to do with totalitarian systems and dictatorships.

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Post by vimacs2 »

baybal2 wrote: post #159
pjc50 wrote: post #142

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.. and you emerge from your nuclear bunker and look at the glowing rubble where Taiwan used to be? The old Cold War was very clear that final victory involved civilian deaths in the millions. Be very clear: are you advocating for that?

Yes, I do! I'm advocating for people to understand that not being ready for this will be their demise. Tell me, what would've been a better solution for WW2. Let Adolph, Stalin, Hirohito, or worse both of them together, have Europe, and then have their free way to use the completely overwhelming resource advantage to kill you, or go and fight to the bitter end before they have it? The most logical action to do if you…

. . . So how many American and European cities has China bombed and invaded so far? No war was ever won with your mentality which makes the completely incorrect assumption that this is somehow a fight for survival or between good (uncle Sam) and evil (those commies). It's also putting the glory of battle over the survival of those that battle was supposedly done to protect. Maybe Hawaii and Puerto Rico should have fought to their last defending their shore from the American hordes by your logic?

Also, it's funny you bring up the Axis powers considering that America would have entirely sat out the entire war if it wasn't for Pearl Harbour and Japan constantly provoking a response with their actions in the pacific. I have also never seen the US ever go into a war where they did not have overwhelming power advantage over their enemies. By the time D-Day happened, the supply lines for the Axis were crippled beyond repair and the war was essentially already lost. It was just a matter of time before supplies ran out.

China has more than enough nuclear capability to cripple the entirety of NATO and they also are well aware that NATO has the capability to do likewise. Hence, neither parties are ever going to even contemplate an outright war with each other despite the wet dreams of war mongers from both sides.

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Post by baybal2 »

vimacs2 wrote: post #207
baybal2 wrote: post #159

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Yes, I do! I'm advocating for people to understand that not being ready for this will be their demise. Tell me, what would've been a better solution for WW2. Let Adolph, Stalin, Hirohito, or worse both of them together, have Europe, and then have their free way to use the completely overwhelming resource advantage to kill you, or go and fight to the bitter end before they have it? The most logical action to do if you…

. . . So how many American and European cities has China bombed and invaded so far? No war was ever won with your mentality which makes the completely incorrect assumption that this is somehow a fight for survival or between good (uncle Sam) and evil (those commies). It's also putting the glory of battle over the survival of those that battle was supposedly done to protect. Maybe Hawaii and Puerto Rico should have fo…

> China has more than enough nuclear capability to cripple the entirety of NATO and they also are well aware that NATO has the capability to do likewise.

First, no it isn't. Second, in a few more years, China will be the only country in the world with material, and military capacity to take the second strike, and keep on offence.

Third, you haven't learned anything if you ever studied WWII. While Germany was running on vapours in the late war, it was still running. They had few years more of small arms supplies, and still some food, which was indeed better than what union's officers had even in reich's final days. Last reserves of fuel were enough for more than a year of low intensity warfare. And yes, Germany fought to the bitter end. Otherwise, where did you thing hundred of thousand American casualties came?

Please don't comment on this matter anymore. You don't know anything about war.

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Post by baybal2 »

thekyle wrote: post #185
baybal2 wrote: post #169

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> You forget that China also is running up against their demographic clock. A slightly aged China will still be able to field more military age men than the whole of Western bloc combined.

I don't know if having a large army matters that much in a nuclear war. I think its more a matter of who has the best antimissile defenses. In the age of nuclear weapons having a large population might actually be a liability since you have more civilians that need to be defended.

> In the age of nuclear weapons having a large population might actually be a liability since you have more civilians that need to be defended.

You probably never heard of Mao's most famous catchphrase, reflecting perfectly on the thinking of people like Xi Jinping.

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Post by Udik »

kortilla wrote: post #173
fc373745 wrote: post #164

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Is state driven media possible in the US? If so, is it possible that the mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese is a byproduct of state driven media?

> hatred for the Chinese The equivocation of hatred for the Chinese and hatred for it’s government is itself Chinese government propaganda. Any time criticism comes up of the actions of their government, the deflection method is to say it’s just hatred for the Chinese. This is done to prevent the Chinese people from realizing that people in the West are on their side and they are not their government.

The overwhelming majority of Chinese people stand by their government, with levels of approval and satisfaction way higher than Americans' for theirs (95% vs 38%) [1]

All this talk of "the CCP" is just a very thin veil of self-deception, allowing you to pretend that you are "on the same side" of the Chinese people. You're not. The best future for China is to become the dominant world power, and you don't want that in any form or shape, am I wrong?

[1] https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-sur...

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