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Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by sudosysgen »

nbardy wrote: post #136
kelnos wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US also believed that giving China an example of "the good way" via access to the US markets would cause them to open up and allow access in kind. Turned out that was a pretty naive belief.

The US never believed this, the politicians told this story so they could get richer off trade deals and cheap labor. Anyone who was critically thinking saw this coming a long way out.

It was also a ploy to cement the fragmentation of the Socialist bloc and precipitate the decline of the Soviet Union.

No one with half a brain thought anything else would happen. Even if China was a liberal democracy, this would still happen.

It was just arrogant and short term thinking.

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Post by hertzrat »

yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

A curious side effect of globalization is mutual dependence, which prevents wars. Full scale hot wars might not happen because of nuclear deterrence, but cold wars attacking financial systems or utility grids could be prevented... Actually, that’s what’s happening, so maybe it doesn’t deter cold wars at all? I came here to write one thing and now I’m doubting it.

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Post by freeflight »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #116
bushbaba wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The us let’s Chinese firms generally speaking full access to the us market. The CCP doesn’t allow the us companies the same. Why our government let that happen. Letting so much business leave to the CCP will be one of the greatest failings of the us government.

We need blocking foreign direct investment for America by any Chinese from 20 years previous. Today we need grand incentives for tax reducing to make repurchasing of China investments in America. No Chinese should have owningship on any asset of America. Chinese is hostile power to good things all in world. Need containment to until collapse of government it have now.

Why not just ban Chinese from entering the US at all, just like in the good old times [0]?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

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Post by fc373745 »

arthropodSeven wrote: post #153

The first half of the article refers without exception to this "Chinese operation." Only in this sentence in the middle of the article do they point out that there's only circumstantial evidence to attribute it to China: > But as with the Russian SolarWinds hackers, investigators have yet to identify who exactly the Hafnium hackers are—beyond Microsoft's assertion that they're state-sponsored and operate out of China…

Is state driven media possible in the US?

If so, is it possible that the mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese is a byproduct of state driven media?

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Post by sudosysgen »

krona wrote: post #149
chrischen wrote: post #126

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> You don't have closet communists, just a lot of very greedy, amoral, and easy to exploit power holders. Lol you’ve just described capitalists.

I think acquiring and consuming resources amorally predates capitalism by a few billion years.

Indeed it does, doing it in a system that allows the economic elite to direct the government into geopolitical disaster because they are largely unconcerned with the common good of their nation is really quite unique to capitalism.

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Post by sudosysgen »

baybal2 wrote: post #80
kelnos wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US also believed that giving China an example of "the good way" via access to the US markets would cause them to open up and allow access in kind. Turned out that was a pretty naive belief.

It wasn't even a belief in the first place. I read a dozen books on post-Nixon US politics. The amount of allegations from both sides of US politics that the other benefitted in the personal capacity from trade with China is staggering. At least some of them must be genuine. It comes to a very simple explanation that communists have indeed been influencing US politics for decades with very crude means, and that they…

This is pretty insane mental gymnastics to rationalize the free market taking control of the US political apparatus as communism.

Like, actually impressive.

It has nothing to do with infiltration or influence. It's simply the basic structure of the American political system that, since its very founding (who was able to vote?) oriented the government into the facilitation of profit above all else.

That is actually the realization the US has to do, but it seems somehow even more embarrassing than the conclusion that the US government is infiltrated by commies, for some odd reason.

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Post by axguscbklp »

fc373745 wrote: post #164
arthropodSeven wrote: post #153

The first half of the article refers without exception to this "Chinese operation." Only in this sentence in the middle of the article do they point out that there's only circumstantial evidence to attribute it to China: > But as with the Russian SolarWinds hackers, investigators have yet to identify who exactly the Hafnium hackers are—beyond Microsoft's assertion that they're state-sponsored and operate out of China…

Is state driven media possible in the US? If so, is it possible that the mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese is a byproduct of state driven media?

>Is state driven media possible in the US?

I'm sure there's some of that, but I suspect that even if there wasn't we'd see much the same results. In the US, the state and the mainstream media are essentially the same thing. The people who run the state and the people who make up the mainstream media are part of the same social circles, they go to the same restaurants, they tend to have the same worldviews.

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Post by freeflight »

qart wrote: post #38
1996 wrote: post #11

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> He won't. He is just the face of the same old thinking that brought us here. Just like all of his predecessors in last 40 years. And it's a good thing. Only Trump was bold enough to entertain the idea of a commercial war with China. I live in the US, but I don't want that. I want peace and freedom. China and the US are natural allies given the complementarity of the industries. Let's make peace not war.

All the lives lost across the world to COVID and the economic impact of the previous year has demonstrated that "make peace" with CCP is not a good idea. I am, by no means, advocating war. But the rest of the world has to take measures to ensure bidirectional access to information. Here's what I am advocating: If a country wants free flow of goods, people, and money, there has to be free flow of information too. If i…

> All the lives lost across the world to COVID and the economic impact of the previous year has demonstrated that "make peace" with CCP is not a good idea.

The US has been the origin for not only the literally largest pandemic in the history of humanity [0], but also responsible for the last pandemic before COVID-19 [1].

Would you be okay with holding the US similarly responsible for disease emerging in it's sphere of influence, or is that something you only reserve when looking for why "evil countries be evil"?

[0] https://academic.oup.com/emph/article/2019/1/18/5298310

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic

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Post by baybal2 »

bushbaba wrote: post #144
baybal2 wrote: post #49

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> We'll see how Biden handles this. I'm sure it's a tough call. I don't see how he can. I don't see how the next 2-3 US administrations can. If the current level of China's "scare power" is enough to paralyze the US, you will have less, and less options on the table with each year as you go. Time works against the US, and the West at large.

You forget that China also is running up against their demographic clock. They have a very anti immigration culture, and the one child policy means they’ll have more retirees than working age in a decade or two. And it’ll only get worse as given their less than replacement birth rate and substantially more males than females.

> You forget that China also is running up against their demographic clock.

A slightly aged China will still be able to field more military age men than the whole of Western bloc combined.

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Post by chrisjharris »

fc373745 wrote: post #164
arthropodSeven wrote: post #153

The first half of the article refers without exception to this "Chinese operation." Only in this sentence in the middle of the article do they point out that there's only circumstantial evidence to attribute it to China: > But as with the Russian SolarWinds hackers, investigators have yet to identify who exactly the Hafnium hackers are—beyond Microsoft's assertion that they're state-sponsored and operate out of China…

Is state driven media possible in the US? If so, is it possible that the mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese is a byproduct of state driven media?

Accusing a group within China of hacking, and hating the whole of China, are two very different things.
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